1/2 Stumped with Aces

Skors3Skors3 Red Chipper Posts: 639 ✭✭✭
edited May 2015 in Live Poker Hands
Main Villain is in the BB with about $450. He was a huge fish, limping most every hand and calling most raises from any position. He won some pots with junk on several occasions.

Hero $450 UTG + 1 :As :Ac

PRE-FLOP

UTG: Limp/Fold
Hero: $12
MP: Call
CO: Call
BB: Call

FLOP: $51 :6d :7d :2h

BB: $15/$100
Hero: $50/Call
MP: Fold
CO: Fold

TURN: $251 :6d :7d :2h :5d

BB: Shove for about $350
Hero: Folds

Comments/Questions:

1) I was really stumped about what to do once he min-raised on the flop to $100. I've posted before about the meaning of min-raises at 1/2 and the majority of the replies coincided with my experiences that min-raises mean business. However, this guy wasn't a standard 1/2 player and I did have Aces. I thought about shoving but that seemed like too much. But maybe it wasn't. I opted to call and see what the turn brought was well as what Villain did.

2) Villain over-bets the pot All-In. Both straights and flushes got there on the turn. This Villain is capable of having any hand here even any 2 pair. Any time Villain had a weaker hand he made a weaker bet. These were two strong moves.

Can I lay down Aces here?

Comments

  • Elgatonegro99Elgatonegro99 Red Chipper Posts: 30
    Is the $100 bet on the flop a 3bet? If so, you can't really compare it to a flop minraise. This is a nutted range almost always.
  • ChipXtractorChipXtractor Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭
    As far as I can tell the action on the flop goes... donk bet, raise, 3 bet, call ??

    The big issue I have is that a ton of the hands you were hoping he had on the flop have now completed on the turn.

    It sucks and it is painful, but I fold those beautiful aces.
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  • ButchButch Red Chipper Posts: 152 ✭✭
    Don't think I have ever made this call and been happy with result. He always ahead here. You need to fold. In game it's harder to do then it looks like it should be in review though.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A bet three bet is an incredibly strong line at 1/2, but the min raise then shove into the made draw makes no sense. His hand looks like an overpair with a diamond that slow played the flop. I'm stumped too, but it can't be profitable calling overpot bets with one pair at 1/2. I'm tempted to call because his line makes no sense, but folding is more prudent because who knows what is in this guy's head and I don't even have a redraw to bail me out.
  • Skors3Skors3 Red Chipper Posts: 639 ✭✭✭
    @Chip and Elga - Chip has the flop action correct.

    Villain donk bet $15
    Hero raises to $50 (others fold back to Villain)
    Villain reraises to $100
    Hero calls the $50 raise - but unsure of the decision or what the best decision is.

    @ Persuadeo - Well you nailed it again. I folded and Vilain turned over :Kd :K? .

    What about his line led you to beleive that he had exactly what you said he had? What about it doesn't make sense?
    And why not make the call if you think he has the holding he did? Is it because if you are wrong you're probably dead and it's not worth the risk? Wait for a better spot, as they say?
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would make the call unhappily, but am arguing a fold can't be bad against an unknown player who is possibly not thinking at all about what his line looks like. I can't expect all my opponents to play logically, especially at whatever the smallest game in the casino is.

    The reason you can deduce his likely holding is his action vis a vis the board. He can't bet/min raise any draw, then bomb you off your hand. If he had diamonds, his flop three bet would be bigger or non-existent, not inducing. He can't play two pair this way either, as now the board has turned against him and your range looks alot like two big diamonds are in it; as you would shove a set. A set for him makes little sense by the same reasoning as the two pair line; he would likely take a card a significant percentage of the time on the turn, and haved x/r'd the flop the other times. Therefore he has to have value and be leading for protection at first, and then on the turn, not be overly concerned with the draw for some reason while not having it. The only hands that makes sense are jj-aa with a diamond, probably weighted toward QQ+.
  • Skors3Skors3 Red Chipper Posts: 639 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for responding Persuadeo. These are the thought processes I'm striving for.