Q. about "4 QUESTIONS TO ASK BEFORE C-BETTING" podcast (Adam Jones)

LeChiffreLeChiffre NetherlandsRed Chipper Posts: 642 ✭✭✭
Was listening to the most recent podcast, something struck me. At some point Adam says the following:

We still have to compare the EV of C-betting with the EV of checking back, there are some situations where yes, we have a plus EV C-bet because you make automatic profit but it’s not necessarily the highest EV line. So as a rough guide if our opponents folding about 45% to C- bets, okay yes, he’s slightly over folding but that doesn’t mean we should C-bet like crazy necessarily. We’re probably still going to be playing a reasonably balanced strategy in that spot because despite the fact that we can C-bet everything profitably it does not automatically mean that, that’s the max EV line. However the higher that opponents fold to C-bet flop stack gets the more we should adjust our own strategy to be completely unbalanced. So by the time our opponents folding about 60% to flop C-bets, now we really just do not care because there’s a very good chance that C-betting anything is going to be the highest EV. In fact even some of our value hands, the amount of folds we get on the flop is just so valuable that unless our opponents going to start bluffing the turn a ton, we should just basically C-bet everything and just take our automatic profit. Even more the case when our opponent starts folding 80% to flop C-bets or something like this.

Why is there a good chance that C-betting anything is going to be the highest EV against an opponent who folds >60% to flop c-bets, even with our value hands? What is this based on? Why is this higher EV than giving someone who folds to a lot of flop c-bets the chance to catch up a bit with your value hand so you can get two streets of value on turn and river? Or are we still supposed to do this with our invulnerable hands?


  • LeChiffreLeChiffre NetherlandsRed Chipper Posts: 642 ✭✭✭
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre NetherlandsRed Chipper Posts: 642 ✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    Understood, thanks so much for the elaborate answer!

    Was familiar with the concept of equity denial but this made it tons clearer :)
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭✭
    w34z3l wrote: »
    Cliffs - It's ok to check back non vulnerable hands on the flop if villain is folding a lot. It's not ok to check vulnerable hands though unless we are being raised a lot.

    Please post more in these forums :)

  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Regarding episode 0134, can @w34z3l explain why Let There Be Range is a "terrible book?"
  • w34z3lw34z3l RCP Coach Posts: 48 ✭✭
    They were charging $5000 for a book that they didn't bother to proof-read and contains strategy advice that is highly assumptive at best.

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