Interesting board w. AK OOP

foxxxerfoxxxer Red Chipper Posts: 101 ✭✭
This hand happened last night in a local $2/5 home game that plays tougher than a typical casino 2/5 from my experience. Most players are still a little loose but there is more intelligent bluffing in general.

Here are my notes as I recorded the hand afterwards on V from this hand:
"CO is playing pretty aggressively, has shoved into me once before and also 3bet/snap folded river to a jam on a flushy paired board earlier. Has checked back some weak pairs on the river.

One other hand we played: I raise straddle to $30 w. AK, he 3bets to $110, I 4bet to $265, he calls. I check J33 flop and he shoves $500, I fold."

I also played one other hand w. V another time where I check/snap-called a weaker set on river and he didn't show but basically mucked his hand indicating a bluff.

I don't love the way I played somewhere between 1-3 streets here, but I'm interested in how you would want to approach this spot OOP.

Here's the hand:
SB posts.
BB posts.
UTG folds.
UTG+1 folds.
Hero ($650) raises :Ac :Kh to $25.
HI folds.
CO ($750) calls $25.
BTN folds.
SB folds.
BB folds.

Flop ($55): :Kd :Qs :Jc
Hero checks.
CO bets $40.
Hero calls $40.

Turn ($130): :Ks
Hero checks.
CO bets $100.
Hero calls $100.

River($330): :2C:
Hero checks.
CO all-in $585.

Comments

  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    What is your goal/hope for this hand when you check? It would seem to me that your goal would be to get V to sense that he can bluff you. Didn't you achieve your goal? And don't you have a hand at the top of your range here?

    You'd also think that V is likely to re-raise pre-flop with QQ or JJ. Yeah, he could have AT. So be it. What are you really worried about it?

    You're trying, it seems, to let V trap himself. And you're at the top of your range. Both objectives are met. Every once in a while, it backfires. But, if you're going to fold on this river, then you need to re-assess your entire plan pre-flop and post-flop and start cbetting this hand.
  • foxxxerfoxxxer Red Chipper Posts: 101 ✭✭
    But, if you're going to fold on this river, then you need to re-assess your entire plan pre-flop and post-flop and start cbetting this hand.

    Agreed, that was my basic plan and as played I think it's a call.

    However I'm not sure that's a great plan. How would you have approached the hand and why? I think a case can be made for checking or betting the flop, but I think we need to be betting the turn for value, I think checking there is at least the most notable mistake I made here.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is actually pretty interesting. When you think of the combos there are not many value combos V can have.

    1 combo KcTc
    1 combo KcQc
    3 combos A10s
    3 combos JJ
    4 combos T9s
    3 combos KQo

    15 value combos but only 1 we actually beat.

    What bluffs does he have? So many hands should be checking back this river.

    Bluffs
    3 combos Q10s
    3 combos J10s
    6 combos TT

    I actually find this a little hard to call because the range is so value heavy unless he is going bananas with AJ. What hands actually barrel off here? Supposed to be "smarter bluffs" so im assuming he has some equity when barreling.

    I like how you played it overall. I don't mind checking the flop. Betting against loose players. Overall i think its two streets based on board texture and calling range.
  • talonjohntalonjohn Red Chipper Posts: 56 ✭✭
    I think you have to call here because there are way more bluffs in his range. I think your check on the flop set the whole trap in motion and you have to cash in on it.
  • talonjohntalonjohn Red Chipper Posts: 56 ✭✭
    Sucks if he has 2's, lol
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    talonjohn wrote: »
    I think you have to call here because there are way more bluffs in his range. I think your check on the flop set the whole trap in motion and you have to cash in on it.

    Can you name some bluffs? Are you suggesting he turns AQ into a bluff? I listed a lot more value combos then bluffs.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Some similar things in this video regarding texture and river bet.
  • Wayne HoodWayne Hood Red Chipper Posts: 21 ✭✭
    If you're planning on folding the river, not sure why you flatted the turn. I think you have to call here, you got pretty much exactly what you wanted, he could be seeing your checks as missed draws, I think it's worth calling and if he has A10 so be it. I would probably either lead or check raise the turn as well.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What happened?
  • foxxxerfoxxxer Red Chipper Posts: 101 ✭✭
    In the moment my thought was that most of his turn bluffs have some SD value and some would check back the river. I really doubt he's turning QT into a bluff here based on the line that I took.

    We have a decent bluff catcher because we block hands like AQ or AJ that might check back, but I disagree that we're at the top of our range here. We can have T9s, AT, KQ, KJ, QQ, KK, JJ ... that's a lot of value combos better than what we're holding now. Maybe we don't get to the river w. all of them this way, but I still don't think we're in a "if you're not calling here, when are you calling" type spot either.

    I called and he ended up having KJ.

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