Bad Idea to shove turn?

Seth RSeth R Red Chipper Posts: 35 ✭✭
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $12.80 (VPIP: 23.39, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 125)
Hero (BTN): $42.26
SB: $25.00 (VPIP: 12.24, PFR: 8.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
BB: $37.28 (VPIP: 10.20, PFR: 6.94, 3Bet Preflop: 4.95, Hands: 247)
UTG: $21.87 (VPIP: 24.19, PFR: 14.52, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 64)
UTG+1: $24.15 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: $25.83 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 120)
MP+1: $25.23 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 20)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 9:diamond: 9:heart:

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, SB raises to $3.25, fold, Hero calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.75, 2 players) T:spade: 6:club: 2:diamond:
SB bets $4.81, Hero calls $4.81

Turn: ($16.37, 2 players) 5:club:
SB bets $11.67, Hero raises to $34.20 and is all-in, SB calls $5.27 and is all-in

River: ($50.25, 2 players) K:club:

Hero shows 9:diamond: 9:heart: (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 56%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
SB shows A:spade: T:club: (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 44%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
SB wins $47.74

$0.24 was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

Comments

  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭✭
    I think that your inflection point in this hand is earlier than the turn. At that point, you have, for all intents and purposes, no fold equity.

    Why are you calling V's 3bet? Is it because you think that he 3bets light and that you can steal a pot from him? If so, then, given the stack sizes, your shove would need to be on the flop -- or pre-flop!!

    Or are you calling looking to set-mine? If so, then why are you still in this hand after the cbet?

    It seems like you're playing this hand decision-by-decision rather than having a pre-considered idea of what you want to do here.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 4,380 ✭✭✭✭
    SB: $25.00 (VPIP: 12.24, PFR: 8.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)

    0% 3 bet after 50 hands. I am either folding preflop or on the flop. I'm shocked to see villain have A10o.

    Why would villain put $19 of his stack in as a bluff?
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭✭
    Austin wrote: »
    SB: $25.00 (VPIP: 12.24, PFR: 8.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)

    0% 3 bet after 50 hands. I am either folding preflop or on the flop. I'm shocked to see villain have A10o.

    Why would villain put $19 of his stack in as a bluff?

    50 hands isn't much. I'm not shocked he didn't 3-bet (yet). I'd rather look at his VPIP/PFR.

    Bet/call preflop is often ok imho, but with a plan. What do we do when we don't hit postflop? We also need to know c-bet % and turn c-bet % to have a better idea of postflop play. Or see how active Villain is (VPIP/PFR) - and he is NOT.

    Hence, I think calling preflop is really meh, as Villain is rather tight passive and seems interested to play OOP.
    Calling on the flop is bad as a so tight passive Villain 3-betting preflop (even in a re-steal position) and c-betting is rather strong and we are 100% behind.
    Calling on the turn is spewy. Raising is super spewy as we don't represent anything and are going to get called 100% (good ONLY when we have like 66 or 22 and abuse his pot-committed mind, in a exploitative gameplay)

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