Live 1-2 full session (34 hands)

BadFrog1BadFrog1 Red Chipper Posts: 136 ✭✭
edited April 22 in Live Poker Hands
Intro
I've been on a pretty bad downswing lately and figured I should sanity check my play, so I wrote down every hand I VPIP'd yesterday. This is all 1-2 at a smaller casino in the Northeast US. The session started at about 2pm on a Saturday, so the players are on the tighter side for live poker.

Session summary
Slightly under 4 hours, $140 profit.

VPIP 34 hands
Preflop raise: 27
Preflop limp: 1
Complete SB: 1
Preflop call: 3
Preflop 3bet: 2

Flop cbet heads up: 10/12
Flop cbet multiway: 0/6

Hand 1
:Qs :Td in CO.
Pre: Folds to Hero, Hero bets 12, BTN goes all in for 60, Hero folds.

Hand 2
:Kd :Jh on BTN
Pre: 2 limps, Hero bets 16, everybody folds.

Hand 3
:Ah :As in MP
Pre: Folds to Hero, Hero bets 12, everybody folds.

Hand 4
:3h :3d UTG1
Pre: UTG folds, Hero limps, four other limpers, BB check.
Flop (6 players, $12 pot): :Ah :Tc :4H:
Hero checks, somebody bets 15, Hero folds.

Discussion: I don't like the open limp here. I rarely do it and can't explain why I did it this time. I think this is a fold pre.

Hand 5
:Jh :4h SB
Pre: 3 limpers, Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop (5 players, $10 pot): :Qc :8c :3h.
Hero checks, BB bets 12, folds to Hero, Hero folds.

Discussion: I'll usually complete like 60% of hands when there are at least three limpers and the BB isn't very active.

Hand 6
:Qs :Jh UTG1
Pre: UTG folds, Hero bets 15, BTN calls.
Flop (2 players, $33 pot, $250 effective stack): :9h :6c :3d
Hero bets 15, BTN calls.
Turn (2 players, $63 pot, $235 effective stack): :Th
Hero bets 35, BTN calls.
River (2 players, $133 pot, $200 effective stack): :6s
Hero checks, BTN bets 40, Hero folds.

Discussion: I think turn probably should have been a check. I got excited that I had an OESD now, but looking back there's not much that would call flop and fold here.

Hand 7
:As :Js BTN
Pre: 2 limps, Hero bets 16, MP calls.
Flop (2 players, $35 pot, $200 effective stack): :Ac :9c :4h
MP checks, Hero bets 16, MP raises to 75, Hero folds.

Hand 8
:Kh :Td UTG1
Pre: Hero bets 15, everybody folds

Discussion: KTo is usually well below my EP raising range, but the table is fairly tight pre so I think I have a good chance of winning here or going HU to flop.

Hand 9
:9s :9h SB
Pre: 3 limpers, Hero bets 17, BTN calls.
Flop (2 players, $40 pot, $250 effective stack): :As :Js :5h
Check, check.
Turn (2 players, $40 pot, $250 effective stack): :Jd
Check, check.
River (2 players, $40 pot, $250 effective stack): :6s
Check, check.

Hand 10
:Kh :Kd MP
Pre: 1 limp, Hero bets 15, SB calls, limper folds.
Flop (2 players, $34 pot, $250 effective stack) :Qs :Th :Tc
SB checks dark, Hero bets 15, SB folds

Hand 11
:Ad :Td BB
Pre: UTG bets 10, two calls, Hero calls.
Flop (4 players, $41 pot): :Qc :Js :4h
Checks to MP who bets 15, Hero calls, everybody else folds.
Turn (2 players, $71 pot, $200 effective stack): :3c
Check, check.
River (2 players, $71 pot, $200 effective stack): :8c
Hero bets 40, MP folds.

Hand 12
:Kh :Kd SB
Pre: Fold to Hero, Hero bets 6, BB folds.

Hand 13
:Jd :9c HJ
Pre: Folds to Hero, Hero bets 13, BTN calls, BB calls
Flop (3 players, $40 pot): :Ks :Th :9d
Checks through
Turn (3 players, $40 pot): :Js
BB bets 25, Hero call, BTN fold
River (2 players, $90 pot, $200 effective stack): :3h
BB checks, Hero bets 25, BB calls

Discussion: The river card didn't change anything, so I'm taking BB's check as weakness (maybe something like AJ or AT) and underbetting in hopes of a call from a bad hand. I think a bigger bet would fold out all the one pair hands and get calls from better hands.

Hand 14
:As :Kd CO.
Pre: UTG bets 10, folds to Hero, Hero raises to 35, everybody folds

Hand 15
:Ac :9s CO
Pre: Folds to Hero, Hero bets 12, SB calls, BB calls
Flop (3 players, $36 pot): :Kd :6c :2h
Checks through
Turn (3 players, $36 pot): :2c
Check, check, Hero bets 20, fold, fold

Hand 16
:Td :9d HJ
Pre: one limp, Hero bets 16, SB goes all in for 17, limper calls, Hero calls.
Flop (3 players, 1 all in, $53 pot): :Qh :4h :3c
Check through
Turn (3 players, 1 all in, $53 pot): :9s
Check through
River (3 players, 1 all in, $53 pot): :Kh
Check through

Hand 17
:Jh :Js BB
Pre: three limps, Hero bets 17, everybody folds

Hand 18
:As :Kd BTN
Pre: three limps, Hero bets 16, MP calls
Flop (2 players, $39 pot, $80 effective stack): :Qs :9h :2c
MP donks 20, Hero folds

Hand 19
:Kh :Qd CO
Pre: three limps, Hero bets 16, UTG calls
Flop (2 players, $39 pot, $300 effective stack): :7h :6h :2d
UTG check, Hero bet 17, fold
«1

Comments

  • BadFrog1BadFrog1 Red Chipper Posts: 136 ✭✭
    Hand 20
    :As :Jd HJ
    Pre: one limp, Hero bet 15, SB call, MP call
    Flop (3 players, $47 pot): :7h :6h :2d
    Checks through
    Turn (3 players, $47 pot): :Jc
    Check, check, Hero bets 25, SB call, fold
    River (2 players, $97 pot, $250 effective stack): :Qh
    Check through

    Hand 21
    :As :Qs UTG
    Pre: Hero bet 15, BTN call.
    Flop (2 players, $33 pot, $100 effective): :Qd :Th :7d
    Hero bet 17, fold

    Hand 22
    :Qd :Qc CO
    Pre: one limp, Hero bet 13, BB call, MP call.
    Flop (3 players, $40 pot): :Ad :Ts :2d
    BB shoves for 90, MP fold, Hero fold

    Hand 23
    :Ah :Js UTG2
    Pre: Fold to Hero, Hero bet 15, everybody folds

    Hand 24
    :As :Kd UTG1
    Pre: UTG fold, Hero bet 15, HJ call, BTN call, BB call.
    Flop (4 players, $61 pot): :Td :5d :7d
    Hero check, HJ bet 35, fold, fold, Hero call
    Turn (2 players, $131 pot, $250 effective stack): :7c
    Hero check, HJ bet 65, Hero fold

    Discussion: Flop call is probably bad. With HJ making a decent sized bet into 3 players, they've probably got something strong, and we can't be happy about continuing even when we hit top pair or a flush on turn.

    Hand 25
    :6d :6h HJ
    Pre: one limp, Hero bet 16, MP call.
    Flop (2 players, $35 pot, $70 effective stack): :Ks :7h :5c
    Checks through
    Turn (2 players, $35 pot, $70 effective stack): :8s
    MP bet 16, Hero call
    Turn (2 players, $67 pot, $54 effective stack): :4c
    MP check, Hero bet 32, call

    Discussion: Maybe should have shoved river? But I think a lot of opponents interpret anything more than double the last bet as really big.

    Hand 26
    :Qh :Th UTG
    Pre: Hero bets 16, BTN calls
    Flop (2 players, $35 pot, $117 effective stack): :Qc :9c :7d
    Hero bet 27, BTN call
    Flop (2 players, $89 pot, $90 effective stack): :8d
    Hero puts BTN all in for 90

    Hand 27
    :Kd :9h BTN
    Pre: two limps, CO bets 6, Hero raises to 26, BB call, CO folds
    Flop (2 players, $63 pot, $250 effective stack): :Jd :3d :3c
    BB check, Hero bet 26, BB fold

    Discussion:
    I like to attack these small raises with any decent holding in position. I feel like it's almost always a middling hand that they won't want to put in a lot of money with.

    Definitely wasn't expecting a call from the blinds. BB was a very tight player, so I think they're basically AQ+, 88-QQ. Only 9 of those ~60 combos would continue on flop, so seems like an easy cbet.

    Hand 28
    :As :Qs BTN
    Pre: one limp, Hero bets 16, BB calls.
    Flop (2 players, $35 pot, $300 effective stack): :Kd :8s :7c
    BB check, Hero bet 20, call
    Turn (2 players, $75 pot, $280 effective stack): :3c
    Checks through
    River (2 players, $75 pot, $280 effective stack): :2h
    BB Check, Hero bet 45, call

    Discussion: I don't think there's much reason to barrel turn. The board hasn't changed much, and there aren't many draws in BB's range. But after he checks river, I feel anything top pair or better is unlikely and I should get a fair amount of folds.

    Hand 29
    :8s :8c HJ
    Pre: Folds to us, Hero bets 13, BB raise to 37 (with $200 behind), Hero folds

    Hand 30
    :9s :9h BTN
    Pre: UTG1 bets 11, HJ call, Hero calls, SB calls
    Flop (4 players, $46 pot): :6s :5s :3h
    UTG1 bets 28, fold, Hero calls, fold
    Turn (2 players, $102 pot, $350 effective stack): :2d
    UTG1 check, Hero bet 55, call
    River (2 players, $212 pot, $295 effective stack): :Jd
    Check, check.

    Hand 31
    :Td :9d UTG2
    Pre: Folds to us, Hero bets 15, SB call
    Flop (2 players, $32 pot, $150 effective stack) :Kd :8s :2h
    SB check, Hero bet 20, fold

    Discussion: Flop bet seems to big for such a dry flop, not sure why I did that.

    Hand 32
    :Kh :Qd CO
    Pre: Fold to us, Hero bet 12, BTN call
    Flop (2 players, $27 pot, $25 effective stack): :Kc :Ts :8h
    Hero puts BTN all in for 25

    Hand 33
    :Jd :9d UTG1
    Pre: one limp, hero bet 16, CO call, BTN call
    Flop (3 players, $53 pot): :Tc :5h :4c
    Hero check, CO bet 20, BTN call, Hero fold

    Hand 34
    :As :Kd CO
    Pre: Folds to us, Hero bet 12, SB raise to 26 (with 150 behind), Hero fold

    Discussion: SB is pretty tight and hasn't been raising much. Despite the great pot odds I think his range is weighted to KK-AA that we can't call.
  • jfarrow13jfarrow13 Red Chipper Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭✭
    Hand 34 hurts my ass.
  • BadFrog1BadFrog1 Red Chipper Posts: 136 ✭✭
    jfarrow13 wrote: »
    Hand 34 hurts my ass.

    Cool story, thanks for the help.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 22
    BadFrog1 wrote: »
    jfarrow13 wrote: »
    Hand 34 hurts my ass.

    Cool story, thanks for the help.

    Try to see why he is saying that before... You've to call 14 to win a 54$ pot. You have position. You've a premium hand. This is a terrible fold, except if SB is a super duper nit.

    One of many @SplitSuit video about it:
  • BadFrog1BadFrog1 Red Chipper Posts: 136 ✭✭
    edited April 22
    Red wrote: »
    You've to call 14 to win a 54$ pot. You have position.

    Cool I'm happy to talk about the specifics of this and maybe learn something.

    After rake it's a $47 pot, so we need 30% equity to call. If his range is KK+ (which I think it is), we have 18.4%. If we decide to be really liberal with his range and say JJ+ (which I think it not at all realistic), we still have only 35%. And I think it's super hard to realize that equity post flop. If he double barrels on KQ64, which is one of the best boards for us, I don't think we can keep calling.
    Red wrote: »
    You've a premium hand.

    Premium hand doesn't mean anything if you're crushed in range and equity realization. IMO that sounds like a lazy justification.
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭✭
    BadFrog1 wrote: »
    jfarrow13 wrote: »
    Hand 34 hurts my ass.

    Cool story, thanks for the help.

    I think his point is some of us don't want to read 34 HHs. You will likely get better response with the one hand per thread format.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    True, but there is also something to be said for a string of hands in a row. How many hands do we analyze in a vacuum without truly knowing the table history? And even when we do get it, we have no idea how biased it is.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Red wrote: »
    Try to see why he is saying that before... You've to call 14 to win a 54$ pot. You have position. You've a premium hand. This is a terrible fold, except if SB is a super duper nit.

    It's the correct fold if his read is correct. So are you arguing against his read?

  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BadFrog1 wrote: »
    Hand 16
    :Td :9d HJ
    Pre: one limp, Hero bets 16, SB goes all in for 17, limper calls, Hero calls.
    Flop (3 players, 1 all in, $53 pot): :Qh :4h :3c
    Check through
    Turn (3 players, 1 all in, $53 pot): :9s
    Check through

    I think you can bet the turn.

  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭✭
    jeffnc wrote: »
    Red wrote: »
    Try to see why he is saying that before... You've to call 14 to win a 54$ pot. You have position. You've a premium hand. This is a terrible fold, except if SB is a super duper nit.

    It's the correct fold if his read is correct. So are you arguing against his read?

    I don't deny there are some super duper nits who will only show with KK+. But it's a rather rare species - and @BadFrog1 didn't give any intel to sustain such mega nit tendencies.
    Yes, the guy play tight. Does that means he never 3bet anything else than KK+ ? What about QQ? Or JJ? Or how would he act with TT, KQs or AJ which aren't fun out of position? So even if there aren't that many, there is some room for non nutted preflop hands.

    Also we shall not forget we need to win only at least 26% of the time to be +EV.
    Villain having QQ+ - which is a premium nutted range - and we are already +EV as we have ~31% equity. And we have position to make better postflop decisions.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's the problem with hand examples - we're at the mercy of what the OP tells us. It's hard to know if he's wrong or not.
  • EazzyEazzy Red Chipper Posts: 914 ✭✭✭✭
    First I like the idea of writing every hand down and posting. But if you want good replyies that are helpful, Break it up into say 4 post of 8 hands....

    Something like my session part 1, part 2 ...... Same preamble...then just post 8 hands...you will get a much better reply.

    That said I went through them all. Wrote down hands I disagreed with, Hoped other would do the same so I could compare answers and learn a bit myself. But as I suspect few will do it given the length.

    Well here goes....

    Systemic Leaks ... is your UTG play. You play way too many unsuited broadway hands. Especially given the tight table read... QJo, KTo type hands are terrible. Even AJo and KQo are marginal at best. Generally when you raise UTG you want hands that can dominate your callers, or flop equity so you can barrel often.

    In this kind of game if you want to widen your UTG ranges consider....adding some suited connector types isntead...

    Bet sizing for me preflop was a bit big...personally in games like this I'm raising $8 first in maybe $10. I think you get better results....though you will have to navigate more multiway pots...

    Your cbetting and barrelling levels are a bit low. You seem to be just looking at your hand, and not thinking about what they will call you with. Obviously if you are trying to use a frequency based approach or some other GTO kind of thing, ok but I don't think its going to get you any where near maximum proftis.

    Hand 4...

    33 In this game raise is my first choice....but folds ok, probably not limping. But again as I raise $8 first in, I don't mind a multiway pot, and I don't mind hu, with higher SPR to play there range and take them off some hands...

    Hand 6 QJo...
    Easy fold utg....

    Hand 8 KT
    again easy fold ....

    Hnad 9...99

    bet half pot on turn,...don't hate the check back but think you can get called by worse....and you block the river...If you think he's the type to bluff the river after it goes check check then I don't mind the check...

    Hand 13...J9o

    Iffy raise preflop, same reasoning, this is a little light from HJ unless you have mega fish in blinds. As played raise the turn.....he will have a lot of pair and draw hands he not folding to a raise....and most of what he folds out you don't make much from on the river....

    Hand 14 AK

    Unless UTG is a loose player or at least loose raiser....I think a call is much better....

    Hand 15 A9o

    Dont hate the delayed cbet, if opponents are very passive, but generally 3 way would prefer a cbet...

    Hand 16....T9s
    I'm betting the turn, dead money in pot, a small bet can be called by worse, can fold out equity....and blocks the river....

    Hand 18, AK

    A bit read bassed, but generally Im raising the flop or floating here (mostly floating)....He is going to have a week hand way to often here,

    hand 20 AJo..

    I'm betting the river here (small)....no on plays a flush draw this way, and he has Jacks you beat. Sure your range is capped, but he does not understand that...

    Hand 23...AJ utg...

    Again this is at best borderline UTG...

    Hand 24 AK

    I agree check calling is not a good line here.....Bet the flop, or check /fold or check raise....are all better lines...IF you read his 1/2 pot bet into 3 other players as strong ??? then check fold is fine.

    Hand 25 66

    I'm betting this flop....
    I'm ??? shoving the turn....don't hate the call as played
    I'm shoving the river...when ever a flush draw misses and there is not that much behind....shove you big hands....players just need an excuse to call...He may not even flod KJ, and is never folding 2pair or better...

    Hand 28, AQs

    I'm barrelling the turn. The fact the board did not change does not matter, the blank card, means everything short of top pair just became a fold on this board (agian makes notes on players who are looser). aGainst tight players you may even fold off KQ or KJ type hands.

    Its a much better line then checking through and then betting the river, where villain does not have to worry about the threat of a river bet.

    Hand 30 99

    when he bets into the world on the flop, yeh you reluctantly have to call, but his check on the turn...I'm just checking back trying to get to the river...

    Don't hate the bet, but think the check back is better???

    Hand 33 J9s
    UTG+1 i'm folding this....like ti better the QJo, but still too weak to play oop....

    Hand 35 AK

    Don't hate the fold, with your read....but with the odds your getting money behind, and position....my guess its more then often going to be a call.

    Think how he plays post flop...you can't just say I have this equtiy...preflop....By default these guys play very straight forward,on the flop and definatly by the turn...in 3 bet pots...










  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vote for @Eazzy for low stakes coach!

    Just to chime in on what @Eazzy already pointed out. Your EP raises from ep and MP are a bit light and will be forced to play oop.

    It's more about playability than raw equity. Yes ATo is better than QTs, but ill raise QTs and fold ATo every time.

    And as others have said just post 1 hand per thread and you will gain way more info. There are spots where QJo is a fold from ep but a 3 bet in other spots.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jeffnc wrote: »
    That's the problem with hand examples - we're at the mercy of what the OP tells us. It's hard to know if he's wrong or not.

    lol at you @PBF_Prodigy, as if this was something controversial.
  • N AN A Red Chipper Posts: 147 ✭✭
    How do you take notes like this on live games?
  • tripletiretripletire Red Chipper Posts: 322 ✭✭✭
    @jeffnc I don't disagree with your post, yet it doesn't have to be controversial for there to be a counterpoint, which I do have:
    It doesn't much matter what happened for OP, we're all here trying to learn for our own benefit for the most part, so plant yourself in OP's shoes and trust his gut read for the sake of the hand. If your reads would be different if you swapped dimensions and played the exact same hand and scenario over, then go with your gut read instead.

    The most useful way to talk about hands like that would be to discuss the merits of the play based on the assumptions. Then, if OP were up for coaching and we were feeling up for teaching, we'd break down the merits of the assumption in the first place.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭✭✭
    kenaces wrote: »
    BadFrog1 wrote: »
    jfarrow13 wrote: »
    Hand 34 hurts my ass.

    Cool story, thanks for the help.

    I think his point is some of us don't want to read 34 HHs. You will likely get better response with the one hand per thread format.

    I'll lay 3:1 that wasn't his point, but that is unimportant, because your point is more important.

    Just look at the game tree of feedback this could get. You'll need a subforum for it.

    Already the natives and local hotheads are getting restless.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tripletire wrote: »
    @jeffnc I don't disagree with your post, yet it doesn't have to be controversial for there to be a counterpoint

    He has no counterpoint.
    tripletire wrote: »
    It doesn't much matter what happened for OP, we're all here trying to learn for our own benefit for the most part, so plant yourself in OP's shoes and trust his gut read for the sake of the hand....The most useful way to talk about hands like that would be to discuss the merits of the play based on the assumptions.

    Of course, that's what we have to do. I didn't write anything inconsistent with that.

    Whether or not it gives the OP a good answer is another matter, because all we can work with is his perspective of what happened.

    Example. A couple months ago we took a break in a local game when dinner arrived. At one end of the room, a few people were needling me because I was playing so tight. At the other end of the room, I overhead a guy and a girl saying how loose I was. If I had posted a hand example without hearing that, what would I be telling you guys my image was?
  • tripletiretripletire Red Chipper Posts: 322 ✭✭✭
    @jeffnc For sure. Both the play and the assumption ultimately need to be discussed before we know it was a good play or not.

    @BadFrog1 I guess I'd say make it clear what you want to gain perspectives on. If you're solid in your reads that the villain was a nit, then ask yourself if calling AKo vs AA and KK pre is good, and if you're not sure then post it. Otherwise it'll always come with friction.
  • jfarrow13jfarrow13 Red Chipper Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭✭
    @BadFrog1 sorry that response was pretty dickish, and glancing quickly through your posts I didn't see anything glaring that made me want to stop and post except the last hand. That and the QJo UTG open, I think your playing crappy hands from EP that will get you into trouble. But the AK fold is just too nitty IMO for a min-raise fold. I'm not saying "lol AK punt stacks" but I think we can take a flop here.
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre NetherlandsRed Chipper Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
    Having quite some fun going through all your hands and the comments. Just wondering: how do you manage to quickly note all hand details during play?
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can point out that X doesn't lead to Y, disagreeing with opponent's read but keeping true to his factual observations. You are indeed at the mercy of the lack of factual observations, yes.

    "Villain recently shoved preflop and showed AA" is factual. "Villain is on tilt" or "my image is bluffy" is subjective and not necessarily factual. "I think villain is bluffing 30% of the time" is definitely not factual, except in the sense that OP actually thinks it.

  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OP says "I've seen X so far, and I conclude Y."

    You can point out that X doesn't lead to Y, disagreeing with opponent's read but keeping true to his factual observations. You are indeed at the mercy of the lack of factual observations, yes.

    In an SplitSuit video, he looks at a ~30/14 player at 25NL with 40+ steal over 100 hands and then proceeds to take fish lines against him. I see those stats and my default play is to use lines vs regulars. We see the same facts, we make different conclusions.

    Really like this point. Where I use to play like a 15\13\5 style and people say its nitty or whatever, but my rfi from button was super high around 60% and my 3 bet vs steal was around 20%. Got a lot of credit cause people only saw the 3 main #s and not by position.
  • BadFrog1BadFrog1 Red Chipper Posts: 136 ✭✭
    Thanks so much for the input everybody! This is much more than I would have expected. :)

    I'll start by addressing the overall comments by @Eazzy which several others have echoed some of.

    Preflop raise size
    If I was betting $8-12 from EP I know I'd be getting 2-4 calls every time (I've learned that this is very region dependent and people often don't believe me when I say that, but you'll just have to trust me that this is how it works where I play). I'm pretty uncomfortable in 4- and 5-way pots, so I'd really rather avoid that situation. I know there's some debate among elite players on this (Berkey likes going big and getting HU, Little likes betting small and going multiway), and to me the big bet style just feels a lot more natural.

    EP range
    I agree that some of my raises were hands that should not be part of a standard EP range. In this session I was adding some hands there because I was getting a lot of folds preflop. I think for this session about 30% of my preflop raises got folds all around. I do think the point about choosing different hands for that purpose is valid, though I think the SPR we're getting here is in kind of a grey area. If stacks were much deeper compared to my open size, I think SCs would be the obvious choice, while if there were any shallower I think offsuit broadways are the clear winner. Where we are, I'm not quite sure which way to go.

    cbet frequency
    HU I think I'm cbetting too much if anything. In this session I was at 83%. Multiway I'm a lot tighter with my cbets, perhaps too much so as an over-adaptation to prior feedback that I was cbetting too much in multiway pots. I'll take an action item to study up on multiway cbetting.



  • BadFrog1BadFrog1 Red Chipper Posts: 136 ✭✭
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Having quite some fun going through all your hands and the comments. Just wondering: how do you manage to quickly note all hand details during play?

    It was a struggle, but I just typed it all into my phone after each hand. For reference, here's what my raw notes looked like:
    AsJs BTN, 2 l, B 16, 1 c.
    Ac9c4c. X, b 16, V r 75 (200), f.
    show A4o

    KTo UTG1. B 15, f.

    99 SB, 3 l, b 17, 1c.
    AJ5tt. x, x.
    J. x, x.
    6. x, x.

    It took about two hours after the session to format everything for the post here, and a lot of the details like suits and opponent positions were completely made up when they didn't have huge impact on the hand.
  • jfarrow13jfarrow13 Red Chipper Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭✭
    I agree that some of my raises were hands that should not be part of a standard EP range. In this session I was adding some hands there because I was getting a lot of folds preflop. I think for this session about 30% of my preflop raises got folds all around.


    Even still, picking up 1.5 BB's at the cost of being forced in bad situations where you lose 30+ is a losing proposition. NOW, if when someone does call you they are playing SUPER fit or fold on the flop, a valuable adjustment to continue this strategy if your inclined to, is to downsize ALL flop C-bet's, and only continue on the turn with the strongest of your range, with a larger bet sizing for value.

    If I was betting $8-12 from EP I know I'd be getting 2-4 calls every time
    There's a conflict of information here. People are folding to your $15 opens 30% of the time, yet you cannot avoid getting 2-4 callers with $12? Did position matter, or limpers matter? If 3 people limp and you make it $12, everyone calls, but if 3 people limp and you make it $15, everyone folds? I think that this is vital in terms of making a better strategy adjustment, both with our hand selection pre-flop and our bet sizing that will really allow you to start crushing the table. For myself, I notice that sometimes I at raising $15 and everyone folds, and sometimes I raise $15 and I get 5 callers. It doesn't mean $15 is a "bad" size, and I cannot make an accurate statement about the dynamic of the table, I need more samples. This is why I'm hype focused the first hour, I watch everyone's sizing. I see how many people go to the flop. I see how many people limp call. I see what size they limp call. I see what size they open, and try to remember what hand they where willing to open with, limp call with ect. This let's me adjust my strategy with hand selection and pre-flop sizing. My default is $12 open. It goes up 1 BB per limper. I adjust this as I spend more time at the table.


    @Austin I've recently really adjusted my EP and MP opening range to prettttttyyyyy squeaky tight. It hurts me to fold AJs UTG early in my sessions, butttt I've noticed a improvement in WR and decrease in variance. God help me once I've built up a stack. I open like 45% (only at $1/3 with passive tables where I don't think I'll be 3-bet often). At $2/5 my strategy remains static 100% of the time, strong cards from EP, expanded range later. Too many 3-bets, and I suck at deep stack so I don't wanna play their game OOP). I still won't open QJo UTG. Nope. Can't do it. I have a personal vendetta against QJo, it's actually my least favorite hand in the game. Gimme 75s UTG over QJo.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jfarrow13 wrote: »
    I agree that some of my raises were hands that should not be part of a standard EP range. In this session I was adding some hands there because I was getting a lot of folds preflop. I think for this session about 30% of my preflop raises got folds all around.


    Even still, picking up 1.5 BB's at the cost of being forced in bad situations where you lose 30+ is a losing proposition. NOW, if when someone does call you they are playing SUPER fit or fold on the flop, a valuable adjustment to continue this strategy if your inclined to, is to downsize ALL flop C-bet's, and only continue on the turn with the strongest of your range, with a larger bet sizing for value.

    If I was betting $8-12 from EP I know I'd be getting 2-4 calls every time
    There's a conflict of information here. People are folding to your $15 opens 30% of the time, yet you cannot avoid getting 2-4 callers with $12? Did position matter, or limpers matter? If 3 people limp and you make it $12, everyone calls, but if 3 people limp and you make it $15, everyone folds? I think that this is vital in terms of making a better strategy adjustment, both with our hand selection pre-flop and our bet sizing that will really allow you to start crushing the table. For myself, I notice that sometimes I at raising $15 and everyone folds, and sometimes I raise $15 and I get 5 callers. It doesn't mean $15 is a "bad" size, and I cannot make an accurate statement about the dynamic of the table, I need more samples. This is why I'm hype focused the first hour, I watch everyone's sizing. I see how many people go to the flop. I see how many people limp call. I see what size they limp call. I see what size they open, and try to remember what hand they where willing to open with, limp call with ect. This let's me adjust my strategy with hand selection and pre-flop sizing. My default is $12 open. It goes up 1 BB per limper. I adjust this as I spend more time at the table.


    @Austin I've recently really adjusted my EP and MP opening range to prettttttyyyyy squeaky tight. It hurts me to fold AJs UTG early in my sessions, butttt I've noticed a improvement in WR and decrease in variance. God help me once I've built up a stack. I open like 45% (only at $1/3 with passive tables where I don't think I'll be 3-bet often). At $2/5 my strategy remains static 100% of the time, strong cards from EP, expanded range later. Too many 3-bets, and I suck at deep stack so I don't wanna play their game OOP). I still won't open QJo UTG. Nope. Can't do it. I have a personal vendetta against QJo, it's actually my least favorite hand in the game. Gimme 75s UTG over QJo.

    I was actually folding off suite broadways and opening 75s and 43s from EP the other night. Probably not +EV without a good read. Felt table would call too much pre flop and play fit or fold post flop. At some point cards don't even matter in that type of game.
«1

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Emoji
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file