I won $100 in roulette tonight!

N AN A Red Chipper Posts: 143 ✭✭
I've been wanting to place a bet on roulette tables for the last couple days but I just couldn't pull the trigger.

My strategy is if the board is showing one color 5+ times, I'm going to bet the opposite color.

So, I see this board is 5 reds in a row. I pull out $100 from my pocket and say 4 greens please.

And I put $50 on black. Well, the next roll is red again.

I pull another $100 out and bet all $150 on black. And it hits!

LOL, I'm so happy..

Then, on my next break, I see that table has 8 reds in a row. But I just couldn't do it. I don't like to gamble to be honest.

And sure enough....the next roll is a black....
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  • PBF_ProdigyPBF_Prodigy Red Chipper Posts: 438 ✭✭✭
    edited April 24
  • N AN A Red Chipper Posts: 143 ✭✭
    Are you drunk?

    I can't tell you that LOL
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 24
    N A wrote: »
    I don't like to gamble to be honest.

    For sure.
  • EazzyEazzy Red Chipper Posts: 772 ✭✭✭
    first its a bouncing ball, with very little knowledge of what it did before.

    What you did good hit and walked away, fewer bets better chance of winning

    What you did wrong, bet at all....lets see long run EV - 5.26 on a $150 wager thats an ev of -$7.86....

    And finally every gambler knows you don't bet against the streak you bet with it, after all if a bouncing ball is going to do anything its hit the same color its been hitting. aFter all if sixes keep hitting the flop we all know you start playing any six in are hand...
  • N AN A Red Chipper Posts: 143 ✭✭
    Eazzy wrote: »
    first its a bouncing ball, with very little knowledge of what it did before.

    What you did good hit and walked away, fewer bets better chance of winning

    What you did wrong, bet at all....lets see long run EV - 5.26 on a $150 wager thats an ev of -$7.86....

    And finally every gambler knows you don't bet against the streak you bet with it, after all if a bouncing ball is going to do anything its hit the same color its been hitting. aFter all if sixes keep hitting the flop we all know you start playing any six in are hand...

    I won't argue about the EV :) I agree. I probably won't do it often.

    But when you go to a casino next time, please observe the roulette tables. I bet it's very, very rare to have 6+ in a row.

    Even though every spin has equal 50/50 chance (plus the 0 and 00) it's just very rare to have 6+ in a row.

  • EazzyEazzy Red Chipper Posts: 772 ✭✭✭
    N A wrote: »
    Eazzy wrote: »
    first its a bouncing ball, with very

    But when you go to a casino next time, please observe the roulette tables. I bet it's very, very rare to have 6+ in a row.

    Even though every spin has equal 50/50 chance (plus the 0 and 00) it's just very rare to have 6+ in a row.

    Yes but once it has six in a row.....iif you start observing at that point I think you will be amazed to find thats it no more likely to continue the streak as not to continue. the chance of 7 in a row is slim, the chance of 7 in a row after six in a row, is exactly 50/50 (less the 0 and 00)
  • ChipXtractorChipXtractor Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭✭


    N A wrote: »

    I won't argue about the EV :) I agree. I probably won't do it often.

    But when you go to a casino next time, please observe the roulette tables. I bet it's very, very rare to have 6+ in a row.

    Even though every spin has equal 50/50 chance (plus the 0 and 00) it's just very rare to have 6+ in a row.

    This is exactly why the casino has those boards up in the first place. To encourage this type of thought process and the betting that follows.

    Twitter = @ChipXtractor
  • Sean OSean O Red Chipper Posts: 281 ✭✭
    Craps > roulette
  • NinjahNinjah Red Chipper Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭✭
    I've always felt like I'm in the minority on this but I've never stopped at a slot machine or table game. I walk into the casino and straight to the poker room. I have zero interest in any of those games.
  • Sean OSean O Red Chipper Posts: 281 ✭✭
    Some table games are fun even though they’re -EV. But the probability point to OP is that when you go to a table that’s hit red 6 times, the improbable thing already happened.
  • Albert AAlbert A Red Chipper Posts: 58 ✭✭
    I think my IRA has a disclaimer that goes something like this, "prior results are not an indicator of future performance."
    That said, my card room has a sort of OTB for horse/dog racing and sometimes I go over there and bet a $1 trifecta box. I look at the board for some odd race, pick the 2 favorites and throw in a medium shot. It pays 1/2 the trifecta if all of the 3 numbers come in 1st 2nd and 3rd in any order. Sometimes I win $80 or so, most of the time I lose, but 100% of the time I go straight back to the card room!
  • SicSemperSicSemper Red Chipper Posts: 89 ✭✭
    Horses are definitely not the same as playing the tables. Horses are a tough game, and the takeout is far more brutal than the rake in poker, but there are pros out there. The Daily Racing Form wouldn't be a going concern for 120 years if handicapping weren't possible.

    That said, I've put in a lot of work to go from terrible at it, to merely bad over the years.
  • derdonkerderdonker Red Chipper Posts: 99 ✭✭
    This guy must be trolling us. LOL

    If you like to degen [enjoy the pretty ladies, soak up the lights/bells/bings/bongs], then learn how to play BJ at near 0EV while working the casino comp game. With a couple hours per year at the BJ table, at near 0EV, I can guzzle free drinks, usually win a few hundo, and score 3-4 free nights on my next Vegas trip, which is +EV.

    Thanks, losers [by definition], for pulling levers and watching spinning wheels. Those lights are pretty.
  • Albert AAlbert A Red Chipper Posts: 58 ✭✭
    @SicSemper. I absolutely agree that horses are not the same as the tables. I've tried to handicap a little but it makes my brain unravel a little!
    I was implying that I'm the one that doesn't know the horses but it's my little diversion from poker once in a while without going to the roulette table.
    Didn't mean to offend... I was poking fun at myself:)
  • SicSemperSicSemper Red Chipper Posts: 89 ✭✭
    @Albert A Oh, no offense taken. Horses are a great game, and it tickles a lot of the same parts of the brain poker does. More variance, but also greater potential payoffs with less exposure. Plus, tracks are a hell of a lot more robust an experience than poker tables. I love it, and it's a shame that there isn't more intelligent lit on the subject than poker, or lower barriers to entry if you want to take it seriously.
  • ChipXtractorChipXtractor Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 25
    Sean O wrote: »
    Some table games are fun even though they’re -EV. But the probability point to OP is that when you go to a table that’s hit red 6 times, the improbable thing already happened.

    A run of Red,Red,Red,Red,Red,Red is just a likely/unlikely to happen as a run of Red,Black,Red,Red,Black,Red .... or any other combination of six outcomes.

    When a run of 6 reds or 6 blacks happens ... nothing "improbable" has occured.

    Twitter = @ChipXtractor
  • PBF_ProdigyPBF_Prodigy Red Chipper Posts: 438 ✭✭✭
    N A wrote: »
    But when you go to a casino next time, please observe the roulette tables. I bet it's very, very rare to have 6+ in a row.

    Actually, it's not at all.

    It's 1:128 for 6 in a row to happen at a specific observed interval of 6 flips, but over samples as low as 100 flips you'll have multiple streaks of 5-6 heads or tails. If you don't believe me, get a quarter and a pen.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭✭
    I've actually studied this quite a bit and it comes down to two things that also apply to poker.

    1) BRM - bankroll management. You don't want to risk more than 1-2% of your bankroll on this game for a single bet.

    2) strategy in which you play, which ill give the most consistent profitable strategy I've come across below.

    There are multiple names for the strategy, labourche, cross out system, etc.

    Basically its like flipping a coin. You wanna start small becAuse variance is will always come. Accept the fact that red or black will hit 49% so you can't straight bet to make money and the chance of going red red red red red or vice versa you can't predict either.

    I've seen it hit red 27 times before ive also seen it hit black 23 times before. However I've only seen it zig zag 8 times before R B R B R B R B etc. As @Eazzy mentioned your supposed to bet with it.

    Ok here's the strategy.
    Bankroll $500
    Starting bet $10
    Bet the same color that it landed on last time.

    Last 3 colors went R R B

    Your next bet is on black.

    Cross out system works as follows:
    Start with 4 imaginary #s on a line that equal $20

    Labby line: 5 5 5 5

    You want to bet first and last # on the line 5+5=$10 on black.

    Wheel spins lands on Red.

    New line 5 5 5 5 10

    *you add your loss to the end of your line or divide it over the 4 #s.

    7.5 - 7.5 - 7.5 - 7.5

    Next bet $15 on red

    Wheel spins and lands on black \ lose $15

    New line
    12 - 11- 11- 11
    Next bet $23 betting on black

    Wheel spins lands on black. Pocket $23

    New line: 11 - 11
    Bet $22 on black
    Wheel spins lands on black

    Line cleared profit $20

    Streak
    Lose $10
    Lose $15
    Win $23
    Win $22

    Record 2 wins 2 losses
    Profit $20

    I did this once online but the artificial intelligence caught on (AI). Min bet was $1 max bet was $100. Despite starting with $1 i reached table max. Ran $50 up to $1500 in less than 3 hours thought i would never have to work again, just keep playing this game. Hit a streak won 27 hands out of 100 and lost 1100 of it back. Cashed out 400 still. Never tried it in real life, but i know people in vegas use it to win 100k+ off some casinos. It's not a guaranteed system but you can make money off it.

    You can also wait for it to go B R B R B then start betting. Unlikely that it continues. As i said i only seem a zig zag of black and red 8 times (8 losing bets)

    Also i usually start with 1 # and build it up to 4 #s then start averaging out the line. Mostly I do this for sports betting and make a decent amount of money pretty consistently. Just find something that hits 50% and apply the strategy. Want to avoid high juice favorites in sports. Labby is designed for low juice even odds around 50% wins. Even though you cross off 2 #s when you win and add 1 # when you lose only need to win above 33% in theory.

    There are some play money roulette tables online if you want to practice.

    Hopefully this helps. For me my weakness with the bookie i use is $10 min and $300 max. I usually don't go above $100. More of a comfort thing with sports. Im happy making $100-$200 a week in extra income.

    People fail at this system when they encounter variance and lose discipline and try a martingale strategy 50-100-200-400 and lose all their money. Turtle wins the race.
  • The MuleThe Mule Red Chipper Posts: 759 ✭✭✭
    My strategy used to be, pick a colour, and let winnings ride until I hit some (large) predetermined level. Sure it was -EV, but it was fun to watch my bet growing exponentially next to the Martingale players waiting for mean reversion...

    Lose small or win big.
  • N AN A Red Chipper Posts: 143 ✭✭
    edited April 25
    This is exactly why the casino has those boards up in the first place. To encourage this type of thought process and the betting that follows.

    You have a point!
    Ninjah wrote: »
    I've always felt like I'm in the minority on this but I've never stopped at a slot machine or table game. I walk into the casino and straight to the poker room. I have zero interest in any of those games.

    Me too, but I've been observing the tables for weeks. I just had to try it.
    The Mule wrote: »
    My strategy used to be, pick a colour, and let winnings ride until I hit some (large) predetermined level. Sure it was -EV, but it was fun to watch my bet growing exponentially next to the Martingale players waiting for mean reversion...

    Lose small or win big.
    Austin wrote: »
    I've actually studied this quite a bit and it comes down to two things that also apply to poker.

    See, I know there's a method to my madness.
    Austin wrote: »

    I've seen it hit red 27 times before ive also seen it hit black 23 times before.

    Damn, 27 times and 23 times straight, I bet a lot of bankrolls get wiped out
  • N AN A Red Chipper Posts: 143 ✭✭
    derdonker wrote: »
    This guy must be trolling us. LOL

    If you like to degen [enjoy the pretty ladies, soak up the lights/bells/bings/bongs], then learn how to play BJ at near 0EV while working the casino comp game. With a couple hours per year at the BJ table, at near 0EV, I can guzzle free drinks, usually win a few hundo, and score 3-4 free nights on my next Vegas trip, which is +EV.

    Thanks, losers [by definition], for pulling levers and watching spinning wheels. Those lights are pretty.

    But you can get kicked out for playing GTO at a blackjack table. It's called card counting.
  • derdonkerderdonker Red Chipper Posts: 99 ✭✭
    You don't get kicked out -- if you only play enough to get the comps, and not enough to be recognized as an advantage player. Also, some behavioral modifications delays this point.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 572 -
    This likely crosses the tl;dr threshold for many of you, but it may be of interest. Excerpted from an article I wrote for Blind Straddle many years ago...

    As a kid I remember being fascinated by roulette. My view of the game came almost entirely through the cigar smoke of James Bond films, in which the immaculately dressed players and the croupier conducting proceedings in French made the whole business seem extremely glamorous. When I started spending time in American casinos I was obviously a little disappointed in the reality - tuxedos and gowns replaced by Iowa State sweatshirts and voluminous shorts bulging with Parliament Lights - but although the croupier had now become a “dealer” at least he or she still had a little stick.

    The one item you will never see in a James Bond movie is the pole that rises from the roulette layout with illuminated numbers of the most recent spins. Stranger still are the players who regard the pole with almost religious awe. The most devout of them - the pole dancers - will hop from one table to another inspecting the sequence of numbers, presumably looking for a wheel that will give them (and their “betting system”) an edge.

    When I first witnessed this pole dancing I was worried my eyes were going to bleed.

    I was saved by the realization that the casino was doing something so delightfully bizarre that it would serve as a totem (pole) for the superstitious, bankrupt, anti-logical, post-modern maelstrom of our current society that I was satirizing in a novel that nobody other than my future third ex-wife is likely to read.

    To put it another way... A roulette wheel is carefully designed, constructed and tested such that the result of a spin is impossible to predict. The Nevada Gaming Control Board is very clear on this point. And yet nearly all Vegas roulette layouts shoot this wondrous pole upwards, its illuminated numbers revealing... Well, revealing the result of previous spins. And saying absolutely nothing about future ones. Because if there was any information in the “pattern” of numbers on the pole concerning future spins, the aforementioned Nevada Gaming Control Board would escort the pole, wheel, and casino owners from the premises.

    And presumably leave behind the ashen-faced roulette players.

    “We can't play without our pole! It's not fair!”

    And maybe the distraught pole dancers would try their luck instead at the poker tables. Which would be great for the nasty scientists laying in wait. Except... the pole dancers are already here.
    Moderation In Moderation
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 572 -
    persuadeo wrote: »
    Roulette podcast, gamekat?

    I'll pencil it in between "Martingaling Sports Bets" and "The Sardine Diet."
    Moderation In Moderation
  • N AN A Red Chipper Posts: 143 ✭✭
    Guys, I did it again and won $275 in roulette last night.

    I think I'm going to take a break from the roulette tables for a while.

    But, crazy thing happened. I didn't place my bet on this roll, but the ball landed on black and the dealer paid the red. WTF?

    Nobody said anything, but I did. I said why did you pay red when it's black? And the dealer corrected his mistake without saying sorry.

    Did I do the right thing? There were probably 3-4 other players at the time and they were betting red.
  • EazzyEazzy Red Chipper Posts: 772 ✭✭✭
    edited April 27
    After reading @Austin and @TheGameKat I thought I might relate my experience with Roulette . Like TheGameKat I was also fascinated by roulette as a kid.

    for me this came because during a trip to Italy my father bought and had ship back a games table. You know the type, it had panels you could flip over and remove, It became a chess table, a bridge table a backgammon table...or if you took the two panels off and pulled it apart it became a really cool roulette table (single 0) So needless to say I spent many an afternoon, developing and testing systems. Read every gambling book from the library) And over the years would regularly check used book stores for some hidden gems (still do but not many used book stores left, Happy days.

    When I got my first PC. it was way back in the days it came with interpretive basic, (yeah I'm that old) and as I read the big basic binder that came with it, I came across the random function command with a little sample program to generate a random number between 1 and 100. Well that led to me writing programs to generate random number between 1 and 38....and then testing systems . I would go for million spin runs sp (which took over an hour with the old slow PC computer. ) As I remember without a limit, a system like @austin "s did win, but it required some bets of over $10,000.

    If your interested systems like @austin 's will make money if you hit at least 1/3 of the time on an even odds bet. Which sounds good, the problem is when you hit less the 1/3 of the time you loose enough so that it comes back to that damb -EV of 5.26%.

    I always assumed if I were an engineer I would be trying to design perpetual motion machines (damb the lows of thermodynamics). But as I'm not I like to develop and test roulette systems. I'm not an idiot I don't play them I just like to develop them.



    Or as I like to think at RedChip we obey the laws of probability.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭✭
    Eazzy wrote: »
    After reading @Austin and @TheGameKat I thought I might relate my experience with Roulette . Like TheGameKat I was also fascinated by roulette as a kid.

    for me this came because during a trip to Italy my father bought and had ship back a games table. You know the type, it had panels you could flip over and remove, It became a chess table, a bridge table a backgammon table...or if you took the two panels off and pulled it apart it became a really cool roulette table (single 0) So needless to say I spent many an afternoon, developing and testing systems. Read every gambling book from the library) And over the years would regularly check used book stores for some hidden gems (still do but not many used book stores left, Happy days.

    When I got my first PC. it was way back in the days it came with interpretive basic, (yeah I'm that old) and as I read the big basic binder that came with it, I came across the random function command with a little sample program to generate a random number between 1 and 100. Well that led to me writing programs to generate random number between 1 and 38....and then testing systems . I would go for million spin runs sp (which took over an hour with the old slow PC computer. ) As I remember without a limit, a system like @austin "s did win, but it required some bets of over $10,000.

    If your interested systems like @austin 's will make money if you hit at least 1/3 of the time on an even odds bet. Which sounds good, the problem is when you hit less the 1/3 of the time you loose enough so that it comes back to that damb -EV of 5.26%.

    I always assumed if I were an engineer I would be trying to design perpetual motion machines (damb the lows of thermodynamics). But as I'm not I like to develop and test roulette systems. I'm not an idiot I don't play them I just like to develop them.



    Or as I like to think at RedChip we obey the laws of probability.

    As I said I used it to be an Ai for a certain period of time, then won like 27 hands out of 100% and got screwed. I even tried having a stop loss but the 30% continued. Figured the online site was just cheating.

    Never attempted it in real life as I 100% avoid the dark side. I know its not full proof and you have to have a stop loss, but if you took $1000 with you and started with $10 bets, 15,20,25,30,25,40 etc you will walk away a winner more times than not. It's finding that stop loss amount that is the hard part. How much can you win in an hour and over the course of 100 sessions how many times will you lose $1000 and what will be your average win?

    I do think the labby\cross out system is more profitable than say black jack.

    In sports betting when I use it because my account is reset each week i eithet take the loss for the week or take the win and reset my lines for the next week.

    One thing people can do to test it is open up a site like covers.com and you can view sports teams and the spreads.

    Public tends to bet overs, so you should usually bet under.

    Run 1 labby line per team for the entire season and bet under. I actually feel like testing this again for NFL. Need a large bankroll since your betting each game.

    Usually by the end of the season from what I remember most teams come out to around +15-20units if you start with just 1 # on your line. I tested this for NBA but added filters where you skip first 20 games and then remove all the teams that mostly went over. This gives you a higher winning percentage in theory, but in reality as many have echoed doesn't dictate the future. More so than roulette though because sports books determine lines off historical data, where my data would be smaller sample and present time.

    There was a forum that did this for first inning bets in MLB and o\u 5.5 in NHL. Problem with those is that it's higher juice. There are seasons where i saw people win 450+ units and other seasons they take a 300 unit loss. Having a stop loss I think is key.

    If I get some time this weekend ill run some numbers for this year NBA. Pick the 10 most under teams first 20 games. @Eazzy is right when he says bets can get big though.

    There are different ways to mamage your line(s) though.

    Standard method - add your loss to the end of the line and cross off 1st and last # when you win.

    Average the line out - start with 4 #s and when you put your loss at the end of the line average all 5 #s. 50-50-50-50-100 becomes 60-60-60-60-60 so your next bet is $120 instead of 150. But if you win your next bet is still 120 instead of 100.

    Line splitting - when your line gets crazy you can split the line into another line and try and make it back in the future. This is good for bad runs. Say your line becomes 50-50-50-50-100-150-200-250-300-350 etc and you lost 6 times straight. I would do an average + split. Take your total and even remove the first 200 if you want. This will allow you to break even instead of making a profit. 1550\10 = 155
    155-155-155-155
    155-155-155-155
    155-155
    Now try and clear each of the 3 lines separately.

    Because there are so many differnt methods of doing labby lines and filters with sports bets on which teams to choose its hard to really tell and give 100% factual data on a consistent basis. In the end it is profitable with great discipline and bankroll management.

    For me personally I would always start with $10 and cap it at $100. Once you reach 10 units accept your loss and reset your lines. Doing multiple teams would take about an hour out of your day.

    For heads up players. People that play $100 heads up matches and have a 10% ROI. Try dropping down and doing $5 HU matches using this system and watch your bankroll grow. I did it for as low as $3 hu matches and capped it at $30 or $20. If $20 was my usual level but wanted to grow the bankroll faster I felt this was the fastest way. Win 1 match out of 3 between $5, $10, or $20 Hu matches and what is your ROI then when you can win 1 out of 3 consistently? 25%+ or so? When you lose 3 straight stay with the $20 until you reach peak profit and drop back down to $5 again. Rinse and repeat.

    Good luck
  • PBF_ProdigyPBF_Prodigy Red Chipper Posts: 438 ✭✭✭
    This is like a sponsored post for Gambler's Anon.
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