Let's Make Online Poker Legal in all 50 States

Ken Van VolkenburgKen Van Volkenburg Red Chipper Posts: 10 ✭✭
Hello all, I am sick and tired of not being able to play online for cash. I have sent e-mails to both Senators in Florida. They answered and said it was a state issue. Since then I have been writing an e-mail each month to my state senator and representative. I have been doing this for 3 months. I have only received the standard form letter/e-mail back. I am going to send the monthly e-mail for 3 more months and then if I don't get a response, I will start writing it once a week and calling every month. I am asking you to take 5 minutes, find your state reps. https://openstates.org/find_your_legislator/ and send the 2 that represent you an e-mail asking them to make online poker legal in your state. If you live in one of the four that have already made it legal, be grateful. I believe if New York, California and Florida make it legal all of the states will follow. I have sent an e-mail to Jonathan Little, Alex Fitzgerald, and James Sweeney. Jonathan answered right away. I asked them and I'll ask here if there are pros that read this. Please start talking about this. It is unreal that we cannot play online. Pennsylvania just made it legal, Michigan is up next. https://www.onlinepokerreport.com/us/pa/ If you read that article, New Jersey is expected to bring in 400 million in tax receipts over the next 5 years. This is a great sales line to any state representative. Every state is looking for income. I will be cross posting this to other forums, if anyone has any ideas on how to get this done, please let me know. I signed up for poker players alliance right after black Friday, After a couple years I stopped following because I lived in New York and it seemed hopeless. They are still around, it just doesn't seem like they are making progress. I don't know what happened to them. Doing some searches, I see pictures of Annie Duke and Howard Lederer, thinking the full tilt fiasco diminished PPA. If anyone knows of another org. that is lobbying to make it legal, or has other ideas on how to get this done, let me know. I am ready, willing and able to help make this a reality.


  • Ken Van VolkenburgKen Van Volkenburg Red Chipper Posts: 10 ✭✭
    I went to the PPA website and found this https://theppa.org/take-action/?vvsrc=/Address You put your zip code in and it pulls up all of your representatives. It then lets you write an e-mail to all of them.
  • Ken Van VolkenburgKen Van Volkenburg Red Chipper Posts: 10 ✭✭
    The Supreme Court ruled in favor of New jersey on states rights to allow sports betting just now. It is time to write to your state representatives and have them add online poker to any sports betting legislation. I also think you should sign up for the Poker Players Alliance if you have not done so. At least follow them on twitter and facebook. I am not an employee of PPA, only a member and there is no other group out there lobbying for this cause.
  • Brendan RBrendan R Red Chipper Posts: 101 ✭✭
    I wrote one. Hope others do the same
  • NinjahNinjah Red Chipper Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭✭
    I plan on writing my governor in a few weeks.
  • kmuffman kkmuffman k Red Chipper Posts: 30 ✭✭
    The possibilities are very real now with Trump calling the shots :)
  • Adam WheelerAdam Wheeler Red Chipper Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2018
    Prohibition lasted from 1920 to 1933, so you'll need to wait one more year. Yes we can !
  • Ken Van VolkenburgKen Van Volkenburg Red Chipper Posts: 10 ✭✭
    https://twitter.com/ppapoker?lang=en needs help with their twitter game. Give them a follow and retweet and like some of their tweets. We should also give their Facebook page some more followers. https://www.facebook.com/theppa/
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
    View: Online poker is illegal in only one state, WA, where it is a felony. The subtlety is that some states do not allow it to go unlicenced, or in other words, unregulated. But you cannot be charged for an online poker crime in any of these states except that one outlier, WA. This means that while you can advocate for regulation, there is no legal reason for those in the 49 states to not partake in whatever sites are available in the grey zone of an unregulated market. Even loading money to a site is not a federal crime, as private citizens are unaffected by the banking rules that were used to dismantle the online poker economy originally.

    Because of this i would argue that the reason there is so much inertia on this issue is that asking for regulation for a non existent product is on its face going to largely fail. Supporting a business that endeavors to create online poker and that will bring an incentive to a legislator's table should be a more efficient way forward than the PPA model.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,016 -
    I need to check out what the PPA is currently doing, but in addition to persuadeo's points above, I think it's worth pointing out that historically it has sometimes been unclear if the PPA was advocating for poker players or poker sites. It's possible that doesn't matter, but equally I know a lot of people who were PPA members in the early days got turned off by the approach the PPA was taking.
    Moderation In Moderation
  • Ken Van VolkenburgKen Van Volkenburg Red Chipper Posts: 10 ✭✭
    Okay, The only org. Lobbying for online poker is PPA. We have 2 choices, support them or start another org., I don't have the resources or the know how to start a new one. I can and will, write, call, and try to make it legal in Florida. I am ready to donate to politicians that will carry the message. I could even help someone that is ready to start another group to lobby. What is the answer??
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Alright, let me restate, because false alternatives aren't the answer, understanding the problem is.

    There is no pressing reason for Florida legislators to take action on a non-existent problem, as the sites that do offer poker to that state operate within the confines of the law. Since the market is served, even if not to your satisfaction, motivation for change is low.

    The matter for you, it seems, is regulation and the coaxing of a more major poker site to the state. To truly move the matter, ally yourself with a business that wants to expand its U.S operations and become their advocate in Florida. The current governor was against online gaming, and it is likely that any online poker sites looking at Florida are waiting until he is gone to revisit.

    So, if I really cared about this, I would 1) get in touch with the online gambling sites that I wanted to be in Florida, and 2) work with prospective state level candidates and push my agenda.

    Supporting the PPA, however ineffective, is still reasonable, but pretending it or another poker public relations organization is going to move mountains does not pass the smell test. It's likely that if a major site shows interest in Florida, suddenly the PPA will spring to life, because now market and product might meet.

    Lastly, I found out something when I was a lobbyist. You really do just sit in lobbies, waiting to get someone's ear. And when you do, as long as you seem cogent and your pants are not on backwards, they listen, because that meeting counts for about 1000 little cut and paste letters that get counted as a database click and then tossed.
  • Ken Van VolkenburgKen Van Volkenburg Red Chipper Posts: 10 ✭✭
    Seems like the chicken or egg question, which came first? Poker Stars and Party Poker, I believe would start tomorrow if Florida made it legal. I believe the population is 20 million. There are quite a few poker players, we can play live legally at quite a few card rooms. They will not open their sites to us while the restrictions apply. Online poker is up against a large lobby, that is the Seminole tribe and the operators of the local card rooms. They see it as competition, I would argue that it will expand the player pool and could lead to bigger tournament fields at the rooms because of the satellite opportunity. I understand the battle and need everyone that wants to make online poker legal to get involved and contact their state representatives. We have to make it an issue for them.
  • Sal NascondiglioSal Nascondiglio Red Chipper Posts: 11 ✭✭
    just let us play poker for crying out loud
  • jfarrow13jfarrow13 Red Chipper Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭✭
    Lastly, I found out something when I was a lobbyist
    @persuadeo the big corporate fat cat lobbyist? We must grab drinks when your in DC again my friend.

    *note* I'd love online poker, I looked into global poker, but again, I am a bit afraid of the fact that they are bot infested, and I sure as hell don't think I can beat an algorithm if I can't beat the $1/3 fish.
  • kageykagey Red Chipper, KINGOFTAGS Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Ken Van Volkenburg
    online ain't coming back... ever... at least not in the way it was before black friday

    you're in freaking Florida!
    put some pants over your underwear and go to a local dog track, casino or native american card room and play live... for God Sakes!

    you'll make a better hourly playing live... and you might even learn how to interact with other humans instead of hiding behind a screen and keyboard

    I don't want nor need online poker to come back.
    that ship has sailed
    and all the easy money has moved on to Fantasy Sports.

    stop living in the past.
    accept the future.
    the future is live poker.
    grinding online is now a pipe dream
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,973 ✭✭✭✭

    Sorry, couldn't help to not post it
  • Ken Van VolkenburgKen Van Volkenburg Red Chipper Posts: 10 ✭✭
    Thanks for your input Kagey. I do play live. It is at least a 2 hour drive to do it. Once online poker is made legal, I will continue to go and play live. I would also like the option of playing online. Thanks for taking the time to respond, if you could, take the same amount of time and write your state representatives. Ask them to make online poker legal. There is no reason that American citizens cannot play poker online at legal, regulated sites. Also unlike me, some people cannot make it to a live event. Shouldn't they be able to play poker from home?

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