understanding Slow Play betting

KrishPokerKrishPoker Red Chipper Posts: 7 ✭✭
What is the correct pattern of betting in following :

Hero card : Suited :spade :8s :7s .
Pre-flop -
(Hero is late position) raises $12, 2 limper calls and rest fold.
Flop - :7h :7c :9s
Player Checks and Hero raises to $30 and 1 limper folds and other calls.
Turn : :2h ==> :7h :7c :9s :2h
Player checks and Hero checks.
River: :2d ==> :7h :7c :9s :2h :2d
Player checks and Hero goes all In ($200). The player calls.

Player has: :9c :7d (bigger full house) and wins the game.

Thanks!

Comments

  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    KrishPoker wrote: »
    What is the correct pattern of betting in following :


    Flop - :7h :7c :9s
    Player Checks and Hero raises to $30 and 1 limper folds and other calls.

    Not really sure what your question is. Are you asking how to describe the action?

    You can't raise if someone checked. You can bet. But then you talk about limpers who you didn't mention before. So the description is a mess and it's hard to say what the correct action is.
  • KrishPokerKrishPoker Red Chipper Posts: 7 ✭✭
    Sorry, I am a beginner to Poker (forgive me poor descriptions). I will rephrase the

    What is the correct pattern of betting in following :

    Hero card's : Suited :spade :8s :7s .
    Pre-flop -
    Player A checks, Player B checks, Player C checks and rest fold. Hero raises to $12. Player A, Player B call and Player C folds.
    Flop - :7h :7c :9s
    Player A checks and Player B checks and Hero raises to $30 . Player A calls and Player B folds.
    Turn : :2h ==> :7h :7c :9s :2h
    Player A checks and Hero checks.
    River: :2d ==> :7h :7c :9s :2h :2d
    Player A raises $60 and Hero goes all In ($200). The player A calls.

    Player A has: :9c :7d (bigger full house) and wins the game.
  • Yanming ZYanming Z Red Chipper Posts: 294 ✭✭✭
    You need to post blinds, stack depths, and positions of all players involved.

    Your bet on the river is what's called a game theory disaster, which means no worse hands are gonna call your bet, and no better hands are gonna fold to your bet. Imagine if you are the opponent, what hands are you calling a 2x pot shove with? If your bet is called, you are either chopping or losing. Size your bet down, bet around $40, force 9X to make a crying call.

    Other than that, this hand is a cooler, move on to the next hand.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭✭
    KrishPoker wrote: »
    Pre-flop -
    Player A checks, Player B checks, Player C checks and rest fold. Hero raises to $12.
    I guess you mean they called the big blind - or "limped" - ?

    Ok, let's make a consequent presentation

    ***
    Game is 1/2$

    Hero :8S: :7S: and is LP with 242$ eff. stack

    Preflop

    4 limpers before Hero
    Hero raise to 12$
    blinds folds
    2 limpers fold and 2 called

    Comment: what's the position of Hero: lojack, hijack, cut-off or button? Where were the limpers? Which of them called?


    Flop

    Pot 43$
    :7H: :7C: :9S:

    V1 checks
    V2 checks
    H bets 30$
    V1 calls
    V2 folds

    Turn

    Pot 103$
    :2H:

    V1 checks
    H checks

    River

    Pot 103$
    :2D:
    V1 bets 60$
    Hero raise all-in 200$
    V1 calls
    V1 has :9C: :7D: for bigger boat and wins

    Always add result in spoiler or post it later, so comments won't be biased



    COMMENTS
    - PREFLOP
    Preflop squeeze is too little. Limpers will usually call 10$ more with most of the hands they limped with. You shall raise bigger to assure you enough folds... maybe go for 25-35$ depending on their painthreshold. See this podcast for more info.

    If you're BU/CO, you could eventually limp behind if players still to play won't squeeze (passive players), allowing you to see a cheap but MW flop with a hand which can flop well. See this video of Splitsuit about limping behind


    - FLOP
    On the flop, you should see that there isn't many hands to call you. There is only one 7 left - if here there might be kicker issue - , and you block 98 (TP) and T8 and 86 (OESD). Other draws are bckd FD and gutshots.

    IMHO this board is rather dry and - to your hand - static as not many cards will change the strength of your hand significantly (only 9?) and you block many of good holding Villain want to call you with.
    As you want to be called by a 9 and induce a call from bad PP (like 55) you shall bet small, ~1/3 pot bet (15$ or 3x red chips). This allows you to bet with overpairs and strong AX with the same aim and great equity.

    - TURN
    Turn is a brick. If you could bet flop and Villain could call, why not continuing ?

    Only reason to not continue is that V1 would make betting mistake instead of calling mistake: you think he would fold often to a turn bet but would bluff stab river.

    - RIVER
    River Villain stabs. Could be with 9X, 88, 7X. Folding 87s is out of question. It's a too strong hand, and out of all the hands we still have on river, it's surely the top of our range (with 99 and a loose 97s).

    But raising ?? What worst hands to you expect Villain to have limp-call preflop, call flop, bet river and still will call you ? He hasn't any worst boat (would be 2X, but he doesn't call with 32 or 42 on the flop). And worst hands - 2P with 9X type of hands, or the rare bluffs - will fold. By raising you're turning 87 into a bluff... but no better hands will fold (7X, 97 and 99 will never fold now).
    So by raising, you force Villain to play perfectly, folding worst hands than yours and calling with better ones. You're forcing yourself to lose 140$. (The only good play is call.)
  • KrishPokerKrishPoker Red Chipper Posts: 7 ✭✭
    Thank you so much Red and Yanming Z for detailed explanation. I understand, the all in bet in the river was a big mistake. Appreciate the advise.

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