$2,500 in a week playing $300NL

AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
Hello All,

Recently I have encountered a downswing, which I think around $1,500 of the downswing was self inflicted from not being well studied in 3 bet pots, then the other $1,000 of it was due to short term variance. The next seven days I am going to challenge myself to recoup the downswing and reach my peak profit once more. I am well aware of having 'monetary goals' in which people set limits to make $500 or so for the session. My BB/hour has swung any where from 3bb / hr to 15bb/hr. In the long run I would project my BB / hour to be around 10bb/hr. Starting Sunday June 10th, 2018 through Saturday June 16th, 2018 I am going to attempt to make $2,500, which should be about 83 hours of play. I'll update this thread with end of day (EOD) session results and maybe one of two hand histories for my biggest pots of the day.

My $300NL stats.
Winning Sessions: 98 (69%)
Losing sessions: 42 (31%)
Hours: 770.78
Average session length 5.5 hours.

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  • Wiki_LeaksWiki_Leaks Red Chipper Posts: 546 ✭✭✭
    Im looking at this graph but i dont see a downswing anywhere
  • bigburge10bigburge10 Red Chipper Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 10
    Instead of setting a monetary goal over a week, how about you simply study the mistakes you’ve made and set out to play your best game? Perhaps even taking a few days off as well. These monetary types of goals usually aren’t worthwhile.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    bigburge10 wrote: »
    Instead of setting a monetary goal over a week, how about you simply study the mistakes you’ve made and set out to play your best game? Perhaps even taking a few days off as well. These monetary types of goals usually aren’t worthwhile.

    I have been studying a lot and feel like I have plugged quite a few leaks especially the over limping with off suite broadways that was bleeding money. The last two sessions my biggest losing hand is actually KK for almost 3.5 buy-ins. I am not one who only remembers bad beats either. My biggest winning hand is probably 66, where I open $10, maniac 3bet to $25, guy in MP calls, and I call the extra 15. Flop 966, I check, guy in MP bets $45, next guy shoves all in for like $220, I call and maniac folds.

    One thing that I find extremely odd because I have a some what tight image, but can 3 bet light from time to time. I seem to be the only player on the table who seems to get 3 bet or 4 bet. When I do pick up a hand seems like I lose QQ vs AK or KK vs AA the last few sessions at least. This is a rather large downswing for live poker, so hopefully that is the end of it followed by a nice upswing. Table has been crazy action and super spewy. EP($120) opens $20 and gets 3 callers. Flop ($80) A84r, EP shoves $100 and CO calls A9o. EP shows KK. Just that type of game where A9o is in their calling range for 7x opens and they feel KK is some how still good or they want to turn it into a bluff. It will be an absolute miracle if I lose this week against these types of players.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wiki_Leaks wrote: »
    Im looking at this graph but i dont see a downswing anywhere

    It looks like a nice graph, but at the very top there is a 8 buy-in downswing, which isn't a ton in terms of online variance. There are a couple 1000-1500 downswings in there as well. I know under 1,000 hours does not mean much, which is why my hourly moves from 3bb-15bb. I think I would need deeper stack games to maintain 15bb. 10bb is still possible IMO as I was hovering over that point for quite some time.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭
    Austin wrote: »
    Wiki_Leaks wrote: »
    Im looking at this graph but i dont see a downswing anywhere

    It looks like a nice graph, but at the very top there is a 8 buy-in downswing, which isn't a ton in terms of online variance.

    Not a ton in terms of live variance either
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Session 1
    +$1315
    Hours 8.5

    Hand#1
    Biggest pot I played ($590)
    Hero ($300) UTG :TC: :TS: open $15
    BTN + SB + BB all call
    Flop ($60) :KC: :TD: :3C:
    SB + BB check
    Hero bets $30
    *Decided holding the Tc I block some flush draws, so going half pot instead of 2/3 pot.
    BTN & SB call
    Turn ($150) :KD:
    SB ($140) checks
    Hero ($255) checks
    BTN ($150) bets $60
    SB calls $60
    Hero all in
    BTN calls KQo
    SB calls. FD (didn't show)
    River :5S:

    Hand #2 this is just a small pot here, but I found it very interesting (laughable!)
    UTG open $10
    BTN call $10
    SB call $10
    Hero :6C: :4C: call $7 more.
    Flop ($40) :8C: :5D: :3D:
    SB ($82) check
    Hero ($600) check
    UTG check
    BTN ($400) bets $15
    SB calls $15
    Hero raises to $75
    UTG folds
    BTN folds
    SB calls $60 more ($7 behind).
    *rest of the hand gets checked down as he shows :QS: :JS:
    Hero hits 7 on the river for the win. I guess he thought he was all in and just flipped over his hand. Didn't see the point in being a dick and trying to get the last $7 off him. He ended up dumping like $500 in about 20 minutes.

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  • volcanovolcano Red Chipper Posts: 346 ✭✭
    the graph looks stupid, your biggest downswing is like 1k? I make money and lose money at live poker. If i had a graph it would look like i was have a stroke
  • volcanovolcano Red Chipper Posts: 346 ✭✭
    edited June 11
    I can and will lose a thousand in an hour at live 1 2 But I win 1k per hour more often than I lose it. Last year I had a swing where i won 4k at live 1 2 over 3 days and 12 hours. 2k the first day on me bluffcatching dude in 2600 pot with my pair of 8s for my biggest pot yet, and then two days in a row of 1k profit.. Then I lost 700 3 sessions in a row to equal things out.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    volcano wrote: »
    I can and will lose a thousand in an hour at live 1 2 But I win 1k per hour more often than I lose it. Last year I had a swing where i won 4k at live 1 2 over 3 days and 12 hours. 2k the first day on me bluffcatching dude in 2600 pot with my pair of 8s for my biggest pot yet, and then two days in a row of 1k profit.. Then I lost 700 3 sessions in a row to equal things out.

    Sounds like ridiculous lag style. I haven't heard of anyone winning over 15bb\hr live. Although most pros won't share their win rates.

    Up and down 1k in an hour when your only getting 30 hands per hour is bananas.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Session 2
    10 hours
    +$255

    Overall 2-0
    +$1570
    *62% of the way to my weekly goal.

    Despite a longer session there were not that many interesting hands. There were only two tables going and they were both tight until late a night.

    Hand#1
    Hero :AS: :AH: opens $15 HJ
    BTN ($400) raises to $30
    SB ($500) calls $30
    Hero ($400) 4 bets to $125
    BTN calls $95
    SB folds
    Flop ($283) :9H: :5D: :4C:
    Hero bets $80
    BTN folds KQs.

    Figured I had two options on this flop either check raise against hands like QQ or JJ or barrel off about 1/3 pot which can comfortably get stacks in.

    Hand#2
    Hero opens :AD: :KC: LJ to $15
    CO calls $15
    SB calls $15
    BB calls $15
    Flop ($61) :9D: :5D: :9H:
    SB bets $20
    BB folds
    Hero calls $20
    CO folds
    Turn ($101) :2H:
    SB bets $25
    Hero calls $25
    River ($151) :QD:
    SB bets $25
    Hero raises to $115
    SB folds

    SB loose splashy player, but his range is pretty consistent with his bet sizing here. 66-88, 54s-85s type hands. It's one of those things where they don't even think about the board and they just bet quickly, so you know they have a mediocre hand. On this hand getting 4:1 and then 5:1 figured I can hit A, K, or bluff on diamonds. On the river when I raised he thought I only called cause I threw in $100 chip in three $5s and quickly turned his hand over for pocket 66s. I pointed to the $100 chip and he snap mucks. I show the :AD: to protect my image.

    Hand#3
    My spewy hand of the day. I'll keep this one short, but basically opener was pretty loose opener and recreational player i've played with twice the last few days. Always short stack and looking to gamble with hands like K7s from MP. I've saw him get all in preflop with KQo before.
    Villain ($165) opens $12 MP1
    LJ calls $12
    CO calls $12
    Hero ($350) SB :AD: :8D: 3bet to $60
    Villain "ok i'll gamble" after about 10 seconds of thinking and moves in for his $165
    Others fold
    Hero calls $105 to win $253
    Board runs out :AC: :TC: :JC: :3D: :5H: and villain shows :KH: :KD: In the game I figured some times i'm actually ahead here and other times it's break even vs KK because i'm getting 2.5:1 definitely good for my image; creating a loose image on what ended up being a pretty tight table. This was towards the beginning of my session.
  • jfarrow13jfarrow13 Red Chipper Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭
    Up and down 1k in an hour when your only getting 30 hands per hour is bananas.

    Meh right game, few big hands, easy. I'm not saying in happens regularly, but check my graph. Notice how it happens to be a like huge jumps and consistent -$400/$500 chunks? I'll sit down and rail off $400 in an orbit. I'm glad to see that at least a -1k to 2K downswing which I'm going through right now isn't that uncommon. Miller's part of the course still resonates with me "I lost for 17 days straight". Now that....that's rough. Glad to see you bounced back. I'm gonna try to just book a couple of wins my next couple of session, not think about it like "oh man I need to try to win back 1k in 1-2 sessions, get it going again!". Slow and steady poker journey, slow and steady.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Session 3
    -$755
    13 hours

    Really nothing interesting here. Lots of good hands running into great hands. JJ vs QQ vs short stacks for like 30bb at a time or AK vs TT etc. Couple of pretty good size pots for 3 way all in where I missed OE+FD twice. Winning one of those would of put me up or close to even on the session. One of those sessions where I felt I was slowly bleeding money and just kept topping off. Example I would get KQs in the CO and there would be a coupe of limpers and I would make it $20-$30 depending how many limpers. Flop Comes A93 rainbow and its like 4 way action. No reason to cbet here as they most likely have Ax. Ranges were crazy wide as they were calling A7o, A3s, 85s etc. One guy only had $60 stack and called $40 with 85s. I asked him why he didn't just go all in and he replied "I just wanted to see a flop, if i hit I go all in. Flop was J83, so he stuck his last $20 in against A3o. It was just that ype of table, but couldn't get anything going.

    Onto tomorrow.

    Overall
    +$815 (32% complete) about $200 behind schedule.
    31.5 hrs (about 4 hours behind schedule).
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Preflop warm-up completed. Time to log another session.
  • Yanming ZYanming Z Red Chipper Posts: 294 ✭✭✭
    edited June 13
    I grind long hours regularly because of poker room promotions, and here are 2 advices that I would give.

    1. Don’t do it. Regardless of what you believe, your game will suffer after 6-8 hours. Tiredness, frustration, lack of patience, all kicks in. While you still might be a small winner during those hours, your win rate drops significantly. Unless the rake back (promotions) are good enough to make up for the lost hourly, it’s just not worth it to keep playing.

    2. If you decide to grind 12 hours a day, you need to be very selective of the game. I find this is very helpful in improving winrate. I’d suggest take a walk every 30 min or so to scout all the games in the room, try to look for tables with huge stacks, alcohol, people laughing and joking. If you think a table is better than your current table, switch to it. If you are in a room with 5 games or more, you should be switching 2-3 times a session. If you can catch someone to donk away their stack just one time per 12 hour session, you’ll see your winrate greatly improve.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yanming Z wrote: »
    I grind long hours regularly because of poker room promotions, and here are 2 advices that I would give.

    1. Don’t do it. Regardless of what you believe, your game will suffer after 6-8 hours. Tiredness, frustration, lack of patience, all kicks in. While you still might be a small winner during those hours, your win rate drops significantly. Unless the rake back (promotions) are good enough to make up for the lost hourly, it’s just not worth it to keep playing.

    2. If you decide to grind 12 hours a day, you need to be very selective of the game. I find this is very helpful in improving winrate. I’d suggest take a walk every 30 min or so to scout all the games in the room, try to look for tables with huge stacks, alcohol, people laughing and joking. If you think a table is better than your current table, switch to it. If you are in a room with 5 games or more, you should be switching 2-3 times a session. If you can catch someone to donk away their stack just one time per 12 hour session, you’ll see your winrate greatly improve.

    Thanks for the feed back. Wasn't planning on doing 12 hours a day for more than a week. Just wanted to battle this downswing faster than normal. Typically these days im doing 5-7hours a day mostly between 3pm to midnight as I think these are the best hours. My casino doesn't have any promotions unfortunately or I might grind a bit more. Try to balance study and grinding. Also eventually move back up to 3-5.
  • Jmo925Jmo925 Red Chipper Posts: 16 ✭✭
    Austin I'd like to challenge you to either 3 $200 freeze outs at 1/2 or 1 $500 freeze out at 1/2. You seem like a really good player and I'd like to see if I'm as good as i think i am. We can do it at my place or yours don't really care. Mondays at any time would be the date.
  • Jmo925Jmo925 Red Chipper Posts: 16 ✭✭
    Also i would like blinds to double every 60 minutes just so its not a borefest.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jmo925 wrote: »
    Austin I'd like to challenge you to either 3 $200 freeze outs at 1/2 or 1 $500 freeze out at 1/2. You seem like a really good player and I'd like to see if I'm as good as i think i am. We can do it at my place or yours don't really care. Mondays at any time would be the date.

    Why would I wanna play hu freeze out vs another good player?
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jmo925 wrote: »
    Austin I'd like to challenge you to either 3 $200 freeze outs at 1/2 or 1 $500 freeze out at 1/2. You seem like a really good player and I'd like to see if I'm as good as i think i am. We can do it at my place or yours don't really care. Mondays at any time would be the date.

    Thanks but no thanks. I'm trying to Crush the fish and not having the best week doing it.

    Session 4
    -383
    10hr 40min

    Session started off well about a buyin up. Then table got nitty so I switched over. After that I would iso the fish with QTs and lose to Q8s. I iso AJo and lose to 64o. Just another one of those days. Then when I make a hand and bet like 1\4th or 1\3rd pot just absolutely no action. Slowly bleeding money.

    Going to take @Yanming Z advice and stick to shorter sessions. Maybe two sessions four hours each. Once in the morning and once in the evening. Try ans avoid playing past 10pm. If I can't do math right or my posture sucks it's just time to go home.

    I think most of my loss today was QhJh on 9h8h6c board vs random donk who decided to shove KQ no pair no draw. Then another hand I had 5c3c and went for a check raise on 5d3dJc board, but it checked through. Turn 9h and I bet got 1 caller and another short stack shoved. I called with 2 pair + fd and he had Js9s. River bricked. Usual variance I guess.

    Time to rest up and practice on Snowie again tomorrow. Short handed games late at night just seems to feed the drop. Too many damn short stacks.
  • Jmo925Jmo925 Red Chipper Posts: 16 ✭✭
    Snowie is much better than the 1/2 players at bay 101. You have to play way more exploitative poker against those guys. I think you might be going thru what im going thru "I've been on a massive downswing as of late" it basically comes down to fancy play syndrome. We make too many plays where we think our opponents are better than they are. I'm going to play limit for at least my next 3 sessions cause i know in limit i don't have that 2× pot bluff.
  • Jmo925Jmo925 Red Chipper Posts: 16 ✭✭
    I'd still like to meet you and change ideas.
  • NYCRyNYCRy Red Chipper Posts: 303 ✭✭✭
    I guess I don't understand the urgency here? We all know about variance in poker. Its one long session. Just play. You have a positive graph just keep doing what you're doing
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jmo925 wrote: »
    Snowie is much better than the 1/2 players at bay 101. You have to play way more exploitative poker against those guys. I think you might be going thru what im going thru "I've been on a massive downswing as of late" it basically comes down to fancy play syndrome. We make too many plays where we think our opponents are better than they are. I'm going to play limit for at least my next 3 sessions cause i know in limit i don't have that 2× pot bluff.

    Playing limit is probably a bad idea. Totally different game. I accept my losses as standard variance. I mean we are only talking about 20-25 hours of play here last two sessions, so 750 hands. Before that my downswing was mostly self inflicted over playing AJ and AQ mostly or random A2s-A5s that I decided to squeeze and getting like 2.5:1 or better against short stacks decided my ace might be good if it hits. When short stacks raise I just have to accept it's always nutted.

    I would rather take a couple days off than play limit. The fish are just hitting bingo.
    I saw one hand where there was a $6 straddle.
    3 limpers and Straddle makes it $25 with about $50 behind. MP1, CO, and BTN all call.
    Flop ($100) :7D: :6C: :3C:
    straddler checks, Mp1 checks, Co bets $50, BTN calls $50, straddler calls $50, MP1 folds.
    Turn ($250) :2D:
    Co all in $70, BTN calls $70.
    River ($250 main / $140 side) :4D:
    CO shows 77 and BTN shows 52o.

    Just one of those weeks where they keep hitting and think they are playing well.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Still trying to make a come back, it has been a weird stretch the last two weeks. At first I thought maybe I'm not getting the results I want because I'm burning myself out. Decided to take a day off and take my mind off poker, well I did for like 90% of the day and spent 1-2 hrs at night studying. Got my sleep schedule back on track, at least short term. Playing 4-6hr sessions now 1-2 times a day. Trying to come early in the day after I eat breakfast and get a short workout in. Go home eat lunch after my session, review any problem hands, then do another session in the evening. First session back went well only 3hrs and up about a buyin, but this morning dropped 3 buyins on an action packed table.

    Most people think Saturday morning's are a bunch of OMC's, but this morning mixture of people with no OMCs. People calling 7x raise J3s and 85o etc. I have no idea what they are folding for $3 with.

    Not complaining about bad beats or anything below. Just a couple of hands I played.

    Hand #1
    K9o in the bb. Utg+1 makes it $6 and gets 4 callers. Decided on a loose call preflop with in the BB getting like 11:1 odds. Flop comes A99 i check and UTG bet $25 one guy calls and I call. Turn A997. I decided to lead tiny for $15 to make it look like a weak ace, utg calls, mp raises to $45 with about $120 behind. I decided to stick it in as I only lose to A9 and 97. Villain ended up having 77, didn't put that in his flop calling range. Down abour 200 right off the bat.

    Hand#2
    Hj opens $15
    Btn calls $15
    Hero 3bets QQ to $45
    *both were under $200 so tried to price them in
    Hj folds
    Btn calls all in $42 total A9s, spikes his ace.

    Hand #3
    Hero opens $15 utg+1 KK
    4 callers
    Bb shoves $76
    I decided flat calling was best. Everyone else folded.
    Board runs out KT9QJ, i lost to A8o

    Hand #4
    Hero opens QQ to $20 after two limps
    Mp calls
    Bb all in $40 total
    Hero small 4bet to $60
    Mp calls the 40 more.
    Checks down to the river where MP bet $50 and i folded.
    AQ4T7
    Mp Q9o, BB A10o

    Hand #5
    Hero opens QQ again $15
    3 callers
    Flop (60) Jd9d5h
    Bb donks $20
    Hero raises to $60
    Mp all in $94
    Bb folds
    Hero calls.
    Mp AdKd hits A on the river.

    Not much I can do this morning. Losing flips, losing way ahead situations. Hopefully evening goes better. Mind is clear and I realize I was making proper decisions, at least in my mind.

    My 1 winning hand
    Utg limp
    Hero raises TT to $15 utg+1
    4 callers
    Flop ($75) Tc7h9h
    Hero checks
    Short stack shoved $74
    Co calls
    2 others fold
    Hero shoves $315
    Co folds.
    Short stack had AK, spikes J on the turn for a small gut shot sweat but river bricked.

    Lots and lots of short stacks....sucked cause every time I doubled one up they left and a new short stack joined.
  • stumhstumh Red Chipper Posts: 82 ✭✭
    Hand 4 a typo?
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    stumh wrote: »
    Hand 4 a typo?

    No why?
  • Yanming ZYanming Z Red Chipper Posts: 294 ✭✭✭
    Austin wrote: »
    stumh wrote: »
    Hand 4 a typo?

    No why?

    Because it seems like you folded a set of Qs for 1/3 pot bet.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yanming Z wrote: »
    Austin wrote: »
    stumh wrote: »
    Hand 4 a typo?

    No why?

    Because it seems like you folded a set of Qs for 1/3 pot bet.

    Ooops sorry definitely typo JJ! Vs Q9o vs ATo got money in good but obviously I'm slightly tilted for not catching that..... Thanks!
  • stumhstumh Red Chipper Posts: 82 ✭✭
    Austin wrote: »
    stumh wrote: »
    Hand 4 a typo?

    No why?

    Lol. The casual nature of your reply made my brain explode. “What level is this guy on”.


  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17
    Austin wrote: »
    Hand #4
    Hero opens JJ to $20 after two limps
    Mp calls
    Bb all in $40 total
    Hero small 4bet to $60
    Mp calls the 40 more.
    Checks down to the river where MP bet $50 and i folded.
    AQ4T7
    Mp Q9o, BB A10o
    Typo corrected

    I don't understand why you lost this one ? Can you explain a) why a small 4bet? b) why check it down postflop?
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