General Strat for Playing Loose Passive Players?

Patrick LawlerPatrick Lawler Red Chipper Posts: 101 ✭✭
Good afternoon RedChippers,

Today I've got a question for you live game grinders. I play in alot of 1/1 - 1/2 casino and private games, these are GOOD games. There's not a good player in the pool and the games play much deeper than the blinds suggest (one game regularly getting £16 super stress at 1/1 etc).

These games are full of loose-passive, unpredictable players. They limp call most hands pre and get extremely sticky once they've caught a bit of the board. of course ive read all of the strat about tightening our ranges and just always having it against these players... but it just ends up in generating a nitty image and getting no action when i begin to open up.

Does anyone have and experience/suggestions for playing in these types of games? There money to be made but i seem to have trouble holding on to it against these players constantly getting there with a raggy two pair ect.

THIS IS NOT A BAD BEAT POST... just need to work out how to make money in these situations haha

Thanks,
Pat

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  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    of course ive read all of the strat about tightening our ranges and just always having it against these players... but it just ends up in generating a nitty image and getting no action when i begin to open up.

    So, what? You have a nitty image? No image is "good" or "bad". The questions are: What image do you want/have, and how can you exploit it?

    So you have a nitty image and get paid off when they call your down lightly. Great!!!

    It also doesn't make sense that you get no action when you open up: I thought that you wrote that everyone here calls down lightly??
  • SullySully Red Chipper Posts: 777 ✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    First off I am always trying to iso preflop down to 1 or 2 callers. so the following relates to that dynamic.

    The key is the turn. Most of these players will still fold their junk, their single pair hands, even draws if the price is not right after pealing the flop.

    So you need to know your boards and the parts of your range you will be double and triple barrelling when bluffing. You need to get a handle on your bet sizing, know your breakeven % . I am a fan of smaller flop cbets and sizing up the turn.

    Trust me, there is a lot mediocrity and just plain shit in these players hands. They simply play too many hands OOP. You just need to show them it's time to let it go

    They are going to get there but not really that often. And when they do, you should know the signs. You have to keep pounding away so you are getting the money the times they don't have much.

    Tightening up is a very last resort for me. You should be starting most of your hands IP, as the PFR with an uncapped range. Sounds like a good place to be.... especially with something like...67s

    IMO
  • RCP Coach - Fausto ValdezRCP Coach - Fausto Valdez RCP Coach Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭
    U have to give action to get action, even the worst player will see ure just sitting there waiting for a good hand. Part of the equation is done, their loose and passive as mentioned. Get them to a point they are willing to pay you off and not run away. Thats ure starting point.
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  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Learn to merge your 3bets
  • Patrick LawlerPatrick Lawler Red Chipper Posts: 101 ✭✭
    Thanks Guys!

    Sorry that original post was a bit of a rant owing to playing against these unpredictable players. As stated they are super lose passive and raising just seems to create bloated 4-5 way flops. Obviously its all grievance, but they just seem to get there on me all the time... my AK going for 3 streets of value against the bad players and they river their K3 two pair etc. Think its just a prolonged period of run bad.
    Sully wrote: »
    First off I am always trying to iso preflop down to 1 or 2 callers. so the following relates to that dynamic.

    YES this is exactly what i try but finding the pain threshold to make it 2-3 ways to the flop can get pretty expensive with these people. buyin is capped at 150 at 1/1 and we have to get in to the 12-15 ranges to really think the field preflop.

    U have to give action to get action, even the worst player will see ure just sitting there waiting for a good hand. Part of the equation is done, their loose and passive as mentioned. Get them to a point they are willing to pay you off and not run away. Thats ure starting point.

    I know this form playing private games but i need to improve on my aggression especially against loose passives. i've got myself in some pretty spectacular spots trying to give action and then not knbwing then to give up!
  • PapaGiorgioPapaGiorgio Red Chipper Posts: 81 ✭✭
    Pain threshold is important. If 12-15 PFR is required, then use it. Don't fear the big raise.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Today I've got a question for you live game grinders. I play in alot of 1/1 - 1/2 casino and private games, these are GOOD games. There's not a good player in the pool...

    These games are full of loose-passive, unpredictable players. They limp call most hands pre and get extremely sticky once they've caught a bit of the board....

    of course ive read all of the strat about tightening our ranges and just always having it against these players... but it just ends up in generating a nitty image and getting no action when i begin to open up....

    There money to be made but i seem to have trouble holding on to it against these players constantly getting there with a raggy two pair ect....

    Read this back to yourself and I think you'll see you're all over the map. First they won't ever fold. But then you "open up" and they all fold to you. But they're constantly getting there with raggy two pair. Well, which is it? Hard to come up with a strategy when you can't say if they're loose or tight against you.

    You say it's not a bad beat post, but what it sounds like is that they call when you don't want them to and fold when you don't want them to.

  • dnoyeBdnoyeB DetroitRed Chipper Posts: 284 ✭✭
    I know what the accepted strategy is but I agree with OP.

    First you don't have to raise large preflop. They will fold 75% based on their own hand. Pushing enough of them into a fold will work only randomly and be very expensive.

    Second, after the flop they do tend to become sensitive to price. Anything below $x they stick around with a pair of 8 or better and all draws. Which is a lot of sticking in a multiway pot. $x+ seems to be two pair territory. What $x is depends on the table.

    Third, get the money in early. The more cards to come the more a gambling player will be willing to make bad gambles. If he's still getting it in my the river that's trouble. Especially on dry board.

    I honestly haven't found a happy solution yet. Just my ideas from experimentation.
  • PropergoodPropergood Red Chipper Posts: 9 ✭✭
    Raise with range advantage, in late position when your hand permits and size your bets larger and for value on flop and future streets.

    Often you will raise and fold in a bloated 5way pot but you only need to win more than 1/5 of these (plus additional streets of value) for this to be a very profitable easy to beat game.

    Make big pots with big hands, don't bluff/semi-bluff (I am counting combo draws as big hands). Plenty of value EZ game.

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