Leery to pull the trigger in PreFlop Situations...($1/$3 NL Live)

BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
So I had a great night overall playing live $1/$3 NL the other night. I had a lot of great starting hands...enough to where I was bludgeoned repeatedly with interesting and sometimes confusing hands. By the time I started writing down one, the next one came up and some details were lost. These were a couple of preflop examples where I know I made the wrong play in probably both of the hands not wanting to give back my $600 in profits via variance on 65/35 plays. Although, I'm sure my hesitancy limits my profits too.

Example #1
Hero ($475): :Qd :Qs button
One EP ($?) limp
Hero RAISE $15, which is a normal raise.
SB ($80) calls. I don't see this guy as threatening at all, he bought in really short.
EP limper folds.
--2 way to the flop--
Flop 89J. 2 clubs
SB - All in for $48 more, begged verbally to "let me have one"

I assume this is an insta-call? From the small blind though, he could have 2 pair, flush draw, straight, etc. I folded this because I wasn't sure. Looking back this is one of those low SPR go with it situations? What' the play?


Example #2
Hero ($650): KK in the BB

UTG limp
UTG +1 ($121) limp - this guy just sat down...I know nothing about him but doesn't look like anyone I need to be concerned about.
(Others fold)
I raise to $20 from BB with :Kh :Kd
SB Folds
BB Calls $20
UTG: fold
UTG+1 ($118) ALL IN for $118...$98 more to me.

Me... all in Isolate? Flat call? What will the in between guy do? What does the all in guy have to make this play? TT, AJ? I'm hesitant to call a sneaky all in anymore with KK....knowing that AA is a possibility out there. Any A and I'm only 71% to win. But there is a guy in between too that could make it a 3 way pot with any solid suited connectors, etc calling for pot odds if I flat...then I'm only a 52% favorite. What's the play?

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Comments

  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Snap call both. No idea why you are folding. If your folding QQ and KK in 1-2 SPR pots with over pairs because your scared they could have 2 pair is ridiculous!

    Playing way too scared!
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    edited August 2018
    I agree completely that I'm playing too scared. Example #1 is pretty clear cut and an example of 1-2 SPR snap call.

    Example #2 however is not that easy with a player left to act behind me. We can't talk SPRs here until after the flop which hasn't happened. The BB is a threat here...right? Do I shove all in here to isolate? If I flat, he has better pot odds to call... What's the play?

    BTW, I've limped AA and KK numerous times just like this in the UTG+1 or UTG spot. Limp, wait for a steal and then bomb over the raisers with my AA or KK and catch the aggressor with his jaw wide open wonder wth just happened. Its not out of the realm of possibility here.
  • RCP Coach - Fausto ValdezRCP Coach - Fausto Valdez RCP Coach Posts: 829 ✭✭✭✭
    @BoilerAce ure def playing scared and there is no justification for the KK nether, just cause he could have AA some % of the time docent mean the vast majority of the other % he wont have something else ... re raise the guy and iso him at minimum and let the cards run
    COACHING NOW AVAILABLE HERE
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Odds of being dealt AA is 1 in every 220 hands. Talking about once every 8hrs in a live game.
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    Austin wrote: »
    Odds of being dealt AA is 1 in every 220 hands. Talking about once every 8hrs in a live game.
    I get this and I do appreciate the tough love. That's what I need.
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    Keep in mind too that odds of being dealt AA is 1 in every 220 hands. However, if you have already been dealt KK, the odds at someone at a 10 handed table having AA is 21.8 to 1. A lot less than the 1 in every 220 hands that you stated.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BoilerAce wrote: »
    Keep in mind too that odds of being dealt AA is 1 in every 220 hands. However, if you have already been dealt KK, the odds at someone at a 10 handed table having AA is 21.8 to 1. A lot less than the 1 in every 220 hands that you stated.

    I'm not worried about 4-5% of the time. Ill make money 95% of the time. Considering the player limped reduces the chances. Stop nut peddling and play poker.
  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    Hand 1) You have two options, IMO: (a) Snap-call, or (b) fold, rack up your chips, and leave. [Note: Racking up your chips and leaving is not/never a bad option if/when you're not on top of your game!!!]

    Hand 2) Help out please -- the action isn't clear. Are you in BB? Then how could BB call? How many players are in the hand (it looks like it's only you at the BB and UTG+1; but, then why would you need to re-raise and isolate?), and what is each of their stack sizes?
    BoilerAce wrote: »
    Example #2
    Hero ($650): KK in the BB

    UTG limp
    UTG +1 ($121) limp - this guy just sat down...I know nothing about him but doesn't look like anyone I need to be concerned about.
    (Others fold)
    I raise to $20 from BB with :Kh :Kd
    SB Folds
    BB Calls $20
    UTG: fold
    UTG+1 ($118) ALL IN for $118...$98 more to me.

  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    BoilerAce wrote: »
    So I had a great night overall playing live $1/$3 NL the other night. I had a lot of great starting hands...enough to where I was bludgeoned repeatedly with interesting and sometimes confusing hands. By the time I started writing down one, the next one came up and some details were lost. These were a couple of preflop examples where I know I made the wrong play in probably both of the hands not wanting to give back my $600 in profits via variance on 65/35 plays. Although, I'm sure my hesitancy limits my profits too.

    One other note: I love the self-assessment here. It's often easy to credit big wins to great play, but you identify that you happened to receive a lot of great starting hands. In addition, you also identified at least of the reasons that perhaps limited how big your stack could of have gotten.

    I know that you've gotten a lot of advice in the past couple of treads that you have posted, but your self-assessments in all of them, IMO, are the best indicator that you'll be in great shape moving forward!
  • GGECKOGGECKO Washington, D.C.Red Chipper Posts: 111 ✭✭✭
    As a recovering nit, I can tell you I understand exactly what you are going through. In times past, if someone shoved on me and I had TPTK I would instafold. I even did this to players who I knew were super loose. My mindset was always "They must have me beat because they are being so aggressive", which is how *I* was playing. I wouldn't get it in unless I had the nuts. Thankfully, through study I realized how horribly exploitable I was.

    That is when I started playing poker.
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    Hand 2) Help out please -- the action isn't clear. Are you in BB? Then how could BB call? How many players are in the hand (it looks like it's only you at the BB and UTG+1; but, then why would you need to re-raise and isolate?), and what is each of their stack sizes?

    moishetreats, thanks for hanging with me here. I proofread that hand so many times and still effed it up. My apologies and of course I can't correct the original post. Here's how the hand played out. If I don't have a ($) next to the person, I have no idea how much they had.

    Example #2 ($1/$3 NL Cash)
    Hero ($650): KK on the BUTTON!

    UTG limp
    UTG +1 ($121) limp - this guy just sat down...I know nothing about him but doesn't look like anyone I need to be concerned about.
    (Others fold to me)
    I raise to $20 from BUTTON with :Kh :Kd
    SB Folds
    BB Calls $20
    UTG: fold
    UTG+1 ($118) ALL IN for $118...$98 more to me.

    Me... all in Isolate? Flat call? What will the in between guy do? What does the all in guy have to make this play? TT, AJ? I'm hesitant to call a sneaky all in anymore with KK....knowing that AA is a possibility out there. Any A and I'm only 71% to win. But there is a guy in between too that could make it a 3 way pot with any solid suited connectors, etc calling for pot odds if I flat...then I'm only a 52% favorite. What's the play?

  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    BoilerAce wrote: »
    So I had a great night overall playing live $1/$3 NL the other night. I had a lot of great starting hands...enough to where I was bludgeoned repeatedly with interesting and sometimes confusing hands. By the time I started writing down one, the next one came up and some details were lost. These were a couple of preflop examples where I know I made the wrong play in probably both of the hands not wanting to give back my $600 in profits via variance on 65/35 plays. Although, I'm sure my hesitancy limits my profits too.

    One other note: I love the self-assessment here. It's often easy to credit big wins to great play, but you identify that you happened to receive a lot of great starting hands. In addition, you also identified at least of the reasons that perhaps limited how big your stack could of have gotten.

    I know that you've gotten a lot of advice in the past couple of treads that you have posted, but your self-assessments in all of them, IMO, are the best indicator that you'll be in great shape moving forward!

    I appreciate that. I'm VERY self aware in life and in about everything I do. My wife has noted that many times. That's why I feel that I can fix this...I just need the right guidance and tough love. This will be fixed. I've had enough of losing in tournaments.
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    edited August 2018
    GGECKO wrote: »
    As a recovering nit, I can tell you I understand exactly what you are going through. In times past, if someone shoved on me and I had TPTK I would instafold. I even did this to players who I knew were super loose. My mindset was always "They must have me beat because they are being so aggressive", which is how *I* was playing. I wouldn't get it in unless I had the nuts. Thankfully, through study I realized how horribly exploitable I was.

    That is when I started playing poker.

    Posts likes this are great to hear....it gives me confidence that I can fix this. I knew in these situations that I was ahead. I knew that I should be insta-calling in hand #1. I knew that I should be doing something more than folding in Hand #2....however, with someone acting after me, I was a bit scared of a 3 way pot brewing and my KK going 3 ways more than I was the All-IN having AA. I was confused, so though best to fold and go on to a spot that was more straight forward (and ask about it later).

    I love this quote BTW
    "That is when I started playing poker"
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    Any A and I'm only 71% to win.

    71% is not enough, need at least 100% to risk your stack. Fold preflop and wait for a better spot.
    3 way pot with any solid suited connectors, etc calling for pot odds, then I'm only a 52% favorite
    I was confused, so though best to fold and go on to a spot that was more straight forward

    more straight forward than having KK facing a 40bb shove and be scared of a Solid suited connector?

    52% only? 3 ways? Means I am going to lose my stack half the time to a suited connector? I guess wait for a better spot where your 100%
    What's the play?
    Quit playing poker its not for wimps.


  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    @BoilerAce: Thanks for clarifying the second hand.

    Unfortunately, BB's stack size is crucial here... Any approximate guesses? Also, what do you know/recall about BB's playing tendencies?
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    edited August 2018
    It's absolutely crucial. and I thought it was listed. He had around $350 and that's what made it a tough decision. Enough to hurt me pretty bad. Edited...again...I've butchered this thread for sure.

    Example #2 ($1/$3 NL Cash)
    Hero ($650): KK on the BUTTON!

    UTG limp
    UTG +1 ($121) limp - this guy just sat down...I know nothing about him but doesn't look like anyone I need to be concerned about.
    (Others fold to me)
    I raise to $20 from BUTTON with :Kh :Kd
    SB Folds
    BB ($350) Calls $20
    UTG: fold
    UTG+1 ($118) ALL IN for $118...$98 more to me.

  • GGECKOGGECKO Washington, D.C.Red Chipper Posts: 111 ✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    BoilerAce wrote: »
    Posts likes this are great to hear....it gives me confidence that I can fix this. I knew in these situations that I was ahead. I knew that I should be insta-calling in hand #1. I knew that I should be doing something more than folding in Hand #2....however, with someone acting after me, I was a bit scared of a 3 way pot brewing and my KK going 3 ways more than I was the All-IN having AA. I was confused, so though best to fold and go on to a spot that was more straight forward (and ask about it later).

    I love this quote BTW
    "That is when I started playing poker"

    Like I mentioned, I know they thought process you were going through. I wouldn't see it as "I can fix this". See it as an evolution of your game. I am sure you have many strong qualities as a poker player already. You are just making adjustments to make yourself better. And remember this is YOUR poker game, it will be unique to you. It is something you build and improve to you as an individual. The journey is where you make the improvements.

    I think nits are nits because they are afraid of the psychological and financial detriment to getting stacked by a better hand. I equate it to learning to box or do MMA. No one wants to get hit *really* hard in the face, or get knocked down, or choked out. You get through that barrier by having those things happen to you. Once a new boxer gets hit hard...it sucks and then the thought is "hey, I can survive this and still continue". In poker, It's almost worth getting stacked just to realize it's not the end of the world and you will live to fight another day.

    You have to do the thing you are shit scared of...the courage comes afterwards.
  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    BoilerAce wrote: »
    It's absolutely crucial. and I thought it was listed. He had around $350 and that's what made it a tough decision. Enough to hurt me pretty bad. Edited...again...I've butchered this thread for sure.

    Nah. You're rocking it, bro! :)


    As played, both raising and flat-calling are justifiable. There's no way to know BB's exact holding; it's really a guessing game here. How does BB play, say, TT or AK? 87s? 33? JTs? Would BB even call the raise from UTG+1 with any of those? Would BB think that a flat-call by you looks weak-ish and try to shove you off the pot? Would BB think that a shove by you looks strong or weak-ish (i.e., that you're trying to shove him off the pot)?

    Post-flop, how aggressively does BB play and would BB play with hands that miss the board, with pocket pairs that don't flop a set, with draws?

    Absent any strong history between you and BB or any real profile that you have on him or any real image that you have at the table, I'd shove it here (I'd be more inclined to call with aces).

    1) It protects your raising range on the button (i.e., you raise with monsters).
    2) An ace on the board both could make you fold out your equity and/or could prevent you from getting paid off.
    3) The pot is already quite big; I wouldn't lament the potential "loss" of BB coming in and putting chips in considering the likely gain of the current pot.

    Obviously, if BB calls your shove, you're not unhappy, either. And, again, I think that a flat-call is defensible; both, IMO, are +EV decisions. Absent any real info, though, I prefer aggression.
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    GGECKO, I definitely understand what you are saying. I was definitely protective of my big winnings that day when I made these fold decisions. Protecting a huge positive was really on my mind and still affects my hand to hand play. My thought process was that I have the math to call or raise here and it's dumb to fold here. But I folded. The best part is that I am able to identify good spots from bad spots and now I just need to pull the trigger next time, no biggie. At one time I was scared to death just to sit at casino table.

    It's been a huge adjustment for me to play for stacks in the casino game as I noted in another thread. My only real weekly practice comes from home games where the bets are based upon a few dollars with low rollers with limited budget and not the size of the pot or stacks. Luckily I've been working near Tunica lately and able to play a lot more casino poker. I'm making the transition. What's interesting is that I have the bankroll to easily play $1/$3 correctly but I'm still not 100% comfortable about throwing around stacks like I need to be. Although it's a lot fun now knowing that I have the ability to make a grand in any given session :)
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    What's interesting is that I have the bankroll to easily play $1/$3 correctly but I'm still not 100% comfortable about throwing around stacks like I need to be.

    The style I play I am rarely all in. I often end up risking 50bb or so on any given hand, but it's pretty standard of play to go like the below example:

    hero opens 4bb
    3 callers
    flop (16bb / $48) 922
    Hero bets $25
    1 caller
    Turn ($98) 9223
    hero check
    CO bets $60
    Hero folds

    Here I am only risking $37 of my stack. Pretty dry board, so my cbet frequency will be higher with a plan on barreling some over cards thats better for my range I.E K or A. With some of my over pairs I can mix in double barreling or check raising.

    While casino games can be loose and wild getting all in at 100bb happens less than people think. Also those $1,000+ winning sessions happen less than people think as well.

    Lets say you play a session of 4 hours. That is roughly 100 hands being dealt. During those 4 hours you have maybe 10 good hands. Of those 10 good hands (preflop). How often does the other player have a great hand as well that is willing to get all in?

    At $1/$2 and $1/$3 I think it is fine to fold hands like TT-QQ and AKo/s preflop facing 3 bets or 4 bets. Their range is so small. However KK & AA you just gotta stick it in the middle because they are not capable of folding QQ or JJ most of the time especially less than 100bb ($300).
    UTG limp
    UTG +1 ($121) limp - this guy just sat down...I know nothing about him but doesn't look like anyone I need to be concerned about.
    (Others fold to me)
    I raise to $20 from BUTTON with :Kh :Kd
    SB Folds
    BB ($350) Calls $20
    UTG: fold
    UTG+1 ($118) ALL IN for $118...$98 more to me.

    Don't think of poker in terms of money, but in terms of BB. If this was a 1c/2c ($2) game would you fold KK for 80 cents?

    $1/$3 game $121 = 40.33bb compared to 1c/2c = 80c.

    Hopefully since you have a bankroll thinking of the game in terms of BB will help you loosen up.

    1) guy just sat down know nothing about him except he bought in short so probably a bad player.
    2) there are a couple of limpers and you raise on the BTN! You don't have to have a strong hand to raise on the button. I can easily have 65s here when I raise.
    3) I want to maximize my value here and since BB didn't 3 bet me I have no reason to believe he has a strong hand. I want to keep his weaker holdings in, so I am going to ask for a count and then just flat call. ~POT will be around $360 with around $230 left to play for. 80% of the time will be a decent flop for you allowing you to potentially stack BB as well.

    There was a spot yesterday where I had QQ and messed up by 4 betting and guy folded TT and I got HU against short stack who had KK. Had I flat called the QQ flop was 442 and there would of been $300+ in the middle with $200 left. Do you think villain folds an over pair? I could easily just bet like 1/4th pot for $75 and getting 5:1 villain is unlikely to fold an over pair. Instead of showing a profit with the side pot I raised and folded out an easy profit.
  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    Being properly bankrolled for stakes is NOT the same thing as being comfortable playing at those stakes; being properly bankrolled for stakes is simply one of the pre-requisites for playing at those stakes.

    It seems to me like you're not comfortable playing at $1/$3 NL live stakes yet.

    Here's the question: Is that because it's new and intimidating or because, despite being 'rolled for it, the idea of losing, say, $300 in one hand is still daunting?

    [No worries, by the way: No response is necessarily an end-all to your $1/$3 playing days!]
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Being properly bankrolled for stakes is NOT the same thing as being comfortable playing at those stakes

    Just like to add to this because I remember reading it in one of the threads, just don't know which one. Someone made a comment about having a bankroll reduces the variance. This just means you are able to handle the swings and keep playing without going broke. The variance is still the same whether you show up with 1 bullet or 10 bullets. Just means for that one session you will only lose that 1 bullet maximum. You may also only end up playing 30 hands and repeat the process over the next 3 or 4 sessions until you lose 3 or 4 bullets. Losing 1-4 bullets is pretty common. 10 bullets in a live cash game usually means a very aggro style or some form of tilt / bad play. At least at the lower stakes where players are more passive. The more aggro the game the more variance one will experience. Just know having a bankroll does not mean you wont lose 10 buyins.
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    BoilerAce wrote: »
    It's absolutely crucial. and I thought it was listed. He had around $350 and that's what made it a tough decision. Enough to hurt me pretty bad. Edited...again...I've butchered this thread for sure.

    Nah. You're rocking it, bro! :)


    As played, both raising and flat-calling are justifiable. There's no way to know BB's exact holding; it's really a guessing game here. How does BB play, say, TT or AK? 87s? 33? JTs? Would BB even call the raise from UTG+1 with any of those? Would BB think that a flat-call by you looks weak-ish and try to shove you off the pot? Would BB think that a shove by you looks strong or weak-ish (i.e., that you're trying to shove him off the pot)?

    Post-flop, how aggressively does BB play and would BB play with hands that miss the board, with pocket pairs that don't flop a set, with draws?

    Absent any strong history between you and BB or any real profile that you have on him or any real image that you have at the table, I'd shove it here (I'd be more inclined to call with aces).

    1) It protects your raising range on the button (i.e., you raise with monsters).
    2) An ace on the board both could make you fold out your equity and/or could prevent you from getting paid off.
    3) The pot is already quite big; I wouldn't lament the potential "loss" of BB coming in and putting chips in considering the likely gain of the current pot.

    Obviously, if BB calls your shove, you're not unhappy, either. And, again, I think that a flat-call is defensible; both, IMO, are +EV decisions. Absent any real info, though, I prefer aggression.

    Good stuff here. I was correct that both plays were in play and it was a difficult choice....and we know that my fold was awful. After reading through this, I think I'm more comfortable isolating the first All in with a $200 raise that prices out the BB (instead fo an allin shove). The BB limped first and then called a $20 raise...I just don't see him calling $200 here but if I was in his seat, I can see the possibility of him calling a 3 way pot if I flat the extra $98...just to see the flop with some holdings like TT, or QJs. My thinking would be I don't want to jeopardize my entire stack here...better to isolate against one and let the board run out with my KK.
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    Austin wrote: »
    Don't think of poker in terms of money, but in terms of BB. If this was a 1c/2c ($2) game would you fold KK for 80 cents?

    $1/$3 game $121 = 40.33bb compared to 1c/2c = 80c.

    Hopefully since you have a bankroll thinking of the game in terms of BB will help you loosen up.
    This is being copied into my Poker Notes archive.... this is Gold and I need to read it over and over again. It really puts things into perspective. I'd be playing this much differently at my home game than I did hear.

    Thanks for the hand examples...its all helping to blast through this mental block that I have. It's good to know too that your game plays like the games I'm seeing also.
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    Being properly bankrolled for stakes is NOT the same thing as being comfortable playing at those stakes; being properly bankrolled for stakes is simply one of the pre-requisites for playing at those stakes.

    It seems to me like you're not comfortable playing at $1/$3 NL live stakes yet.

    Here's the question: Is that because it's new and intimidating or because, despite being 'rolled for it, the idea of losing, say, $300 in one hand is still daunting?

    [No worries, by the way: No response is necessarily an end-all to your $1/$3 playing days!]

    You're exactly right...I'm not comfortable at the $1/$3 game yet and I can easily explain why. Much of my historical play is in a weekly $0.25/$0.50 NLHE cash home game where I see a healthy profit (except for the tournament). I have kept stats for 2.5 years now and my graph goes up and up. I don't live near a casino so my big game ($1/$3) shots had been limited. Let's say I spent 4 months out of 2017 making a $500 profit and I move up to the big game one time for 8 hrs and lose that $500. I have now negated my entire positive for the year in one night at a bigger game. Right or wrong,, mentally I feel like a loser because of this. I protect my stack and take only the high percentage plays at the big game instead of risking stacks when I'm unsure. I also fold to huge preflop pots even when i have holdings that are perfect for multiway flops. I'm still too results oriented instead of just making the correct play in the bigger game. I know what is happening. I have the cash to play the game right but the graph still drives me. But ironincally 2.5 years ago when I got back into poker, I was terrified at the $0.25/$0.50 NL home game. Now it's a walk in the park.

    This year, I've been able to play more hours than I ever have at the big game....62.5 hrs so far this year in addition to my smaller home game. Little by little, I'm getting more accustomed to the larger stakes. It's sinking in slowly. That quote above about making decisions based upon what I would do in a lower stakes game is awesome....I and can see myself thinking about that every time I'm at the big table now.

    Posting these awful embarassing hands are paying huge dividends for me. I can't thank you guys enough.
  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    @BoilerAce.

    Here's a mind trick that might work: Keep two spreadsheets. One is for your low-stakes games, where you have grinded to a $500 profit. The other is for your live play (with a separate bankroll!). Ultimately, money is money. This way, though, you can still visualize your earnings from lower-stakes games and not feel that you are putting those chips on the table at $1/$3 since you have your own separate bankroll for that.

    Just a thought...
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    Interesting idea!!
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @BoilerAce.

    Here's a mind trick that might work: Keep two spreadsheets. One is for your low-stakes games, where you have grinded to a $500 profit. The other is for your live play (with a separate bankroll!). Ultimately, money is money. This way, though, you can still visualize your earnings from lower-stakes games and not feel that you are putting those chips on the table at $1/$3 since you have your own separate bankroll for that.

    Just a thought...

    I keep mine in the same spread sheet, but have a column for the stake I am playing each session. Pretty easy to filter one stake to the other and see the variance, $/hr, and overall performance.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,982 ✭✭✭✭✭
    None of your profit matters until you spend it, quit, or die.

    You feel like you're a winner right now but those hours aren't even a blip on the radar.

    Attachment to short term results in poker is completely futile.
  • BoilerAceBoilerAce Red Chipper Posts: 400 ✭✭
    Austin wrote: »
    I keep mine in the same spread sheet, but have a column for the stake I am playing each session. Pretty easy to filter one stake to the other and see the variance, $/hr, and overall performance.

    I can definitely filter mine too to see how I'm doing at all stakes, location, games, etc all through my RunGood app. And that's how I'll do it in the future. I see what moishetreats is getting at though.
    persuadeo wrote: »
    None of your profit matters until you spend it, quit, or die. You feel like you're a winner right now but those hours aren't even a blip on the radar. Attachment to short term results in poker is completely futile.

    With all due respect, short term results are all that I will ever have. I get what you're trying to say, but me playing live for 2,000,000 hrs in my life just isn't going to happen. So I'm going to sit back and look at my postive results of 2.6 years of profit, notice my constant improvements in my game, and be damn happy about it...but still motivated for more :)

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