What is the regular highest-stakes game at your local casino?

moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
edited August 2018 in Live Poker Hands
Thinking back on a lot of comments and threads and reminded of it in Christian's AMA thread, I believe that sometimes we end up talking past each other because the player pool at our 1/3 games is often vastly different.

At my casino, there is regularly one (and sometimes two) 2/5 games going alongside a handful of 1/3 games. It is quite rare to get anything higher than that. I think that also is a determining factor in the players who play at the 1/3 and 2/5 games, giving those games a different feel from 1/3 or 2/5 games where other higher-limit games are commonplace, too.

So, testing out this hypothesis, here goes a poll... Comments welcome, please!!

What is the highest level game that regularly plays at your casino?
-1/2 or 1/3?
-2/5?
-5/10?
-Higher?

Comments

  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭✭
    5/10NLH runs daily now that summer is over with 2-3 days per week of bigger games.
  • Christian SotoChristian Soto RCP Coach Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭✭
    How does talking past eachother look like in your opinion?

    Because I agree with you. I just want to take part in stopping it because I’m sure I’m guilty of it too.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bay101

    2-3 games of $1-$2-$3
    $100-$300 buyim

    5-7 games of $2-$3-$5
    $200-$500 buyin

    1-2 games of $2-$3-$5 (deep stack)
    *$500-$2000 buyin

    1-2 games weekends $5-$10
    *$500-$2000? Not sure usually has $20 straddle. Think max buyin maybe 5k.

    Monday's they have "monster stack" which I look forward to playing, maybe not for another year, but its $2-$3-$5 as well, but I think you can have $5k buyin. I think ill be good enough in a year or so to take some shots.

    Limit goes
    4\8
    8\16
    20\40
    40\80*
    80\160

    Not sure about the 40\80.

    Omaha h\L
    8\16
    20\40

    Not sure how many limit and omaha tables they have. City has restrictions on number of overall tables they are allowed to have open for all games. Some times they close down 235 to open a high stakes game on the "dark side."

    @moishetreats can you elaborate on talking past each other? Is this because of different ranges we assign to loose / passive or tags?
  • dnoyeBdnoyeB DetroitRed Chipper Posts: 284 ✭✭
    edited August 2018
    I read Christians response to my 1/2 vs 2/5 question and I think it's interesting. Probably I am in this trap because this is how books are marketed. Crush $1/$2 etc. But really it depends on who is sitting at your table. I am getting better at handling 2/5 players at my 1/2 table. One day they will have to handle this 1/2 guy at their table 😁 Anyway, there is probably a better description than 2/5 player. I really mean a bluffy bully willing to toss around a few buyins. Also players that straddle and basically drop the SPR on every pot just because it pressures your stack.

    Anyway, the biggest I see at motor City is $5/$10 maybe a few times a week. 2/5 regularly. I believe Greektown has a regular $1/$3. MGM basically the same as Motor City.
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anyway, there is probably a better description than 2/5 player. I really mean a bluffy bully willing to toss around a few buyins. Also players that straddle and basically drop the SPR on every pot just because it pressures your stack.

    Do you think players on this forum fit this description? It's more of $1\$2 is 7 loose passive players and 2 tags. Then $2\$5 is like 3 loose passives and 6 tags.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,973 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    The CHEAPEST stakes at my local casino is 10/10CHF (=~ 10/10$), and overall in the country, with one exception, the cheapest stakes is 5/5CHF.
    Guess why I don't go play there and underground games flourish... *stupid casino not providing accessible stakes / facepalm*
  • EatRunPokerEatRunPoker NY, NYRed Chipper Posts: 91 ✭✭
    5-10 on weekends 2-5 daily
    Austin wrote: »
    Anyway, there is probably a better description than 2/5 player. I really mean a bluffy bully willing to toss around a few buyins. Also players that straddle and basically drop the SPR on every pot just because it pressures your stack.

    Do you think players on this forum fit this description? It's more of $1\$2 is 7 loose passive players and 2 tags. Then $2\$5 is like 3 loose passives and 6 tags.

    I know what he is trying to say, but I think it's severely over-simplifying things. Before I moved up to 2-5 I did think they were all LAG Maniacs and I needed to be willing to out bluff them and willing to take on huge variance. While this is sometimes true, at least more so than at 1-2, I have found that there's also a lot of ABC playing 1-2 players that just happen to play 2-5, because winning/losing $200 just doesn't do it for them. They want the action. Basically we always think players at higher stakes are better, when in fact they're usually not better just making different kinds of mistakes and they often "look the part" a bit more than the lower stakes players, thus creating fear. @dnoyeB it is likely you already are a 2-5 player, but just don't have the roll for the game. I assure you most 2-5 players are terrible--you just need to know how to figure out who the good players are (about 15% of the player pool). I would highly recommend getting into the 2-5 game as it's much more profitable, because of rake/tip considerations.

    In my casino, there is often a slow weekday and there is 4 1-2 games going on with mostly regs and fairly competent TAG's that are no fun to play against, while the 2-5 game is full of straight fish that came up from the blackjack tables. Basically the 2-5 players are much worse than the 1-2 players on some nights.

    Overall I think 1-2 is much more passive and an implicit rule that we will not bluff each other, but just nut peddle the shit out of each other. This is terrible strategy with a $7 rake and I am pretty convinced there are exactly 0 winning players at 1-2 in my casino.

    At 2-5 there are some slight differences, but also a ton of similarities. There is usually one other winning player (usually on the LAG side), sometimes 2. If there are 2 other winning players I enjoy the game, but am very careful and usually not table-captaining. I just sit back and find hugely profitable spots and get a ton of credit for my agro lines form the other players. Fortunately, however, there is also many days where it's just me and 8 other fish and plays no different than 1-2 but with MUCH less rake. 2.5x size of pot and yet same $7 cap on rake.

    @Austin what do you think of the average 1-2 or 2-5 player's ability to study? Do you think many of them are on forums like this and constructing ranges the way I've seen you do many times since joining RCP?

    In my experience since joining RCP, I've noticed many people making incorrect assumptions that their opponents ranges are put together well. They are projecting their own strategy onto them, when in fact these players are terrible (Just ask Ed Miller). I used to do this and it took me a long time to start taking the risk to assess my opponents honestly and then take lines that really exploit their HUGE holes in strategy. In fact if you play 1-2, this is the only way to win and beat the rake, you absolutely can not be a tight ABC player and yet most players (especially during a downswing) retreat into a tighter strategy and try to showdown the best hand every time. I'm sure in some games (usually higher stakes) this can be profitable, but not in a bad reg infested 1-2 game. These players need to be abused when they make huge errors (like calling a 3bet OOP with A6o). If you aren't abusing awful plays like this you are not winning.

  • dnoyeBdnoyeB DetroitRed Chipper Posts: 284 ✭✭
    For me it's 4 loose passive, 2 LAG, 2 TAG, 1 aggrofish.
    I would be TAGish.
  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    How does talking past eachother look like in your opinion?

    Because I agree with you. I just want to take part in stopping it because I’m sure I’m guilty of it too.

    Just to clarify: I mean this as an observation and NOT as a critique!

    Here's an example, @Christian Soto, since you asked, from your awesome AMA thread:

    "Christian Soto RCP Coach Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭✭ August 27
    I honestly think 1/2 and 2/5 are the same. I really think the skill difference is somewhat minimal for the pools."

    Not at my casino! Again, with only about one 2/5 game going at a time and a handful of 1/3 games going at a time, the 2/5 table is usually players with deeper bankrolls and with faaaaar fewer nits (that doesn't mean that they're all good; rather, the table composition is different). Yes, the skills translate from 1/3 to 2/5, but you need to employ different skills to win at 1/3 and there are other skills unnecessary at 1/3 to win at 2/5 -- at least at my casino. I doubt that's the case where you play... :)

    The 1/3 game gets the full range of players: newbies, drunks, OMCs, TAGs, LAGs, guys waiting for their 2/5 seat to open who are skilled and are using it 1/3, guys waiting for their 2/5 seat to open and who are just playing around at the lower stakes, guys who are building their bankroll, guys who are skilled enough to play 2/5 but find more profitability among the fish at 1/3...

    It's simply been growing on me that we often talk about the 1/3 game and we all make presumptions about the player pool based on our experiences. That's natural. But, our experiences of who plays at 1/3 might be (probably is??) incredibly different. Thus, we talk past each other.

    And that's why I started this thread to see if our local casino game offerings might impact how we each understand the 1/3 or 2/5 player pool and how that impacts the advice that we give.
  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭✭
    And that's why I started this thread to see if our local casino game offerings might impact how we each understand the 1/3 or 2/5 player pool and how that impacts the advice that we give.

    I don't think the games are that different.

    I think we all talk past each other because we are human.
  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    kenaces wrote: »

    I think we all talk past each other because we are human.

    Certainly true!!
  • AustinAustin Red Chipper Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    guys who are skilled enough to play 2/5 but find more profitability among the fish at 1/3...

    @moishetreats this is true for some players like myself. I mostly play $1/$3, but I am very capable of beating $2/$5. $1/$3 to me is literally just an ATM who gives me $200 a day with 90% consistency. $2/$5 I'll have a higher hourly, but that is also less consistency. Just a matter of what I want to do for that day. Challenge myself a little bit or print money?
    @Austin what do you think of the average 1-2 or 2-5 player's ability to study? Do you think many of them are on forums like this and constructing ranges the way I've seen you do many times since joining RCP?

    @EatRunPoker I think the player pool almost never studies especially below $2/$5. I am going to guess it's some where around 1%. Rec players don't like paying for training sites. They just get feed back from each other and maybe read a book in the past.
    I don't think the games are that different.

    @kenaces I think @Christian Soto said it best when he said the mechanics are different, but the skill level is about the same.
  • John ValentineJohn Valentine Red Chipper Posts: 31 ✭✭
    I play at Harris in N.O. lots of 1/3 tables.
    Few 2/5 probably no more than 4.
    1 5/10. Some half and half, 5/5 plot and4/8 straight Holden. I see a lot of players buy-in for 1000+ at the 1/3, or already have that many chips when they move to the table. Tend to always open with 15-20 dollars preflop. Have a 15 to 20 % range. Then fold to Any overbet on the flop. If they call or reraise, they have the nuts right then. Trying to move up to the 2/5. I'm beating the 1/3 60-65%. Don't really see any difference at the 2/5. Some 3 betting preflop.

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