Is KJ whack

Stomper13Stomper13 Red Chipper Posts: 82 ✭✭
So my question is how bad is KJs really.
the reason I ask this is because every time I get deep in a tourney people at the table give me a lot of shade for playing KJ the way I do especially KJs.
here is an example I was playing a 350 dollar buy in main event at the casino I go to there was 12 players remaining (2 tables of 6) and min cash wasn't until 10th place.
Blinds were at 4k/8k with 2k ante
im on the button with 120k/15BB
Blinds both have about 60k each to start the hand.
Folds to me I shove with :Ks :Js
SB folds BB calls.

also note most players at the table were playing scared at this point and folding about 50-70 percent pre. Everyone except me and the chip leader who had about 500k.

I ask this question because every time I'm deep in a tourney in a similar spot with KJ and try this line the table runs their mouth. Am I missing something.

in the above scenario I thought either blinds would call shove with a range of about 25% of hands something like 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A5o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo and I have about 47% equity when called and I'm not risking my tourney life. and I get folds the other 75% of hands.

Comments

  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,140 -
    Looks fine to me. Depending on the distribution of other short stacks the blinds should likely be even tighter than your given range that close to the bubble. Which in turn means you should probably shoving wider than the range you give.
    Moderation In Moderation
  • MnpokerMnpoker Red Chipper Posts: 95 ✭✭
    Just checked Snapshove to make sure but that is 100% a shove from the button
  • EatRunPokerEatRunPoker NY, NYRed Chipper Posts: 91 ✭✭
    People suck at poker tournaments, that is why. Snap shove. And stop caring what regs think of your game.
  • Stomper13Stomper13 Red Chipper Posts: 82 ✭✭
    People suck at poker tournaments, that is why. Snap shove. And stop caring what regs think of your game.

    Very true and I don't really care what they think of me I was just curious if I was missing something.
    I've already made a post about the regs at this casino and how they were ass hats to me when I first started out. They hate when I show up to the tourneys now lol.
    And I final tabled that tourney and we chopped when there was 8 people left.
    I was third in chips which I acquired by shoveing my chips down their throats lol. I actually got the chip lead to fold pocket queens pre Flop. And i agreed to a chop cause I had to leave in 4 hours and needed to sleep before the drive home lol.
    Chopped for 3k except chip leader got 4k
  • EatRunPokerEatRunPoker NY, NYRed Chipper Posts: 91 ✭✭
    Nice score @Stomper13. This comes up a lot in live poker tournaments. One of the live reg's main tools to combat proper preflop aggression is to try and intimidate verbally. They'll make comments like "that's not poker" or "some people are scared to play post flop" or my favorite "careful, now". They will do whatever they can to get you to stop playing correctly aggressive.
  • Stomper13Stomper13 Red Chipper Posts: 82 ✭✭
    Nice score @Stomper13. This comes up a lot in live poker tournaments. One of the live reg's main tools to combat proper preflop aggression is to try and intimidate verbally. They'll make comments like "that's not poker" or "some people are scared to play post flop" or my favorite "careful, now". They will do whatever they can to get you to stop playing correctly aggressive.

    Very true or my favorite one is "is shoving all you know how to do".
  • Baby_SharkBaby_Shark Red Chipper Posts: 74 ✭✭
    Think of what their comments reveal about their strategy/mindset/knowledge. If they can't see that KJs goes up in value as stacks get shallow, they're playing fixed ranges that they apply both deep and shallow.

    If you're able to dynamically adjust your ranges to stack depth and blinds/antes, you're hugely +ev versus their limited thinking. As the game becomes more solvable as we get closer to push/fold, your edge gets bigger and bigger. Next time try to have enough time to whittle them down to a nub and win the tournament instead of being forced to chop!

    You can also play into their idea of you as an idiot. Say things like "KJ hits more often than other hands, because it's lucky" or "because there's more K and J in the deck usually", or "you guys are too good to play post flop against, so I just shove". Don't ever let them know that they're the ones that are wrong. Preserve your edge!
  • Stomper13Stomper13 Red Chipper Posts: 82 ✭✭
    Baby_Shark wrote: »
    Next time try to have enough time to whittle them down to a nub and win the tournament instead of being forced to chop!

    You can also play into their idea of you as an idiot. Say things like "KJ hits more often than other hands, because it's lucky" or "because there's more K and J in the deck usually", or "you guys are too good to play post flop against, so I just shove". Don't ever let them know that they're the ones that are wrong. Preserve your edge!

    Yeah I've learned to give myself more time it's the second time it's the second time I've made it to a final table with significant payouts and had to chop cause I was leaving in a few hours

    And that is pretty funny I will try that usually I just don't say anything back.
    I'm also used to it from the regs there I make it to the final table of their small tourneys quite often and they hate when j do cause if I will make them play me for stacks cause they fold way to much lol

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