Online payers who float and then bet

magicpigmagicpig Red Chipper Posts: 48 ✭✭
Do online cash game players bet too often or too little when:

1. They call a raise pre-flop and are checked to on the flop?

2. They are in position and call a flop bet and are checked to on the turn?

3. They call a turn bet and are checked to on the river?

@ adam Jones

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  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 1,268 -
    Moderation In Moderation
  • AceFromSpaceKKAceFromSpaceKK Red Chipper Posts: 241 ✭✭
    I think it depends on the site you are playing on and of course it also depends on the stakes. I'm playing up to 50NL online and I would say that 1.) the population tend to bet a lot when checked to on the flop. It doesn't really matter what board texture we are looking at. Funplayers tend to take on big stab at the pot and then give up when they don't improve.
    2.) People tend to float a lot and then stab the turn, the times where you just cbet and take it down OTF are over...
    3.) When you cbet F and T and they bet river they have it (more often than not).

    Hope that helps :)
  • magicpigmagicpig Red Chipper Posts: 48 ✭✭
  • w34z3lw34z3l RCP Coach Posts: 48 ✭✭
    magicpig wrote: »
    Do online cash game players bet too often or too little when:

    1. They call a raise pre-flop and are checked to on the flop?

    2. They are in position and call a flop bet and are checked to on the turn?

    3. They call a turn bet and are checked to on the river?

    @ adam Jones

    Too often or too little really depends on your perspective. Exploitatively, most of the population bets far too infrequently in all three of these spots.

    From a GTO point of view however, the average player's frequency is somewhere close to what we'd expect (lower, more neutral looking). This doesn't imply they are playing well however since the distribution of hands that gets float bet is all over the place. Besides, as you might pick up from some of my vids, good exploitative players are betting significantly more frequently in float-bet scenarios than GTO might suggest.
  • magicpigmagicpig Red Chipper Posts: 48 ✭✭
    Thank you, Adam.
  • EazzyEazzy Red Chipper Posts: 915 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5
    Some player definable do follow some of the call raise, and weight for you to blink lines a lot.

    In Miller's et al Small Stakes No Limit Poker,.

    In the Balancing your lines section they go into a full break down (counting combos) on why this works against you, then how to balance against it and how to exploit it.

    It breaks down to 2 adjustments you need to make P, 219
    1)Play some hands in the unbalanced line's range differently
    2)jAdd hands to the unbalanced line's range

    Some of the solutions are....

    Not cbetting flop as much
    tightening our range preflop
    Betting less of your made hand on the turn
    Bluffing more of your missed hand on the turn
    Check raising the turn as a bluff /;or for value more often.

    As you make adjustments you have to count combos, and see the results,

    Also you then have to consider if it unbalances other lines, or looses other exploits (cuts too heavily into profits).....for example if you tighten preflop, (the simplest solution) you loose hands that are profitable from your range and hurt your bottom line.





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