Live $1/$2 Harrah's Cherokee

KmanflexKmanflex Red Chipper Posts: 3 ✭✭
edited December 3 in Live Poker Hands
Hi i'm new to the forum wanted to post a hand on here that my friend played over the weekend at Harrah's Cherokee casino and get some advice on ways to play this hand.

Live $1/$2

9 handed

hero stack $293 in the SB

open limp from UTG (stack $380) likes to bet big on flops LAG (5 hours at the table together)

Limp from UTG+1 not much info on him yet (stack $180)

folds around to Hero in SB.

Hero iso's to $15 with :4s :5s

($15 was a standard raise for this table for a couple of hours)

UTG - calls

UTG+1 - calls

POT - $47

Flop - :7c :6d :Kc

Hero - checks

UTG - bets $35

UTG+1 - calls

Hero - calls

POT - $152

Turn Card - :7c :6d :Kc :8d giving Hero the low Straight

Hero - checks

UTG - bets $65

UTG+1 - calls

POT - $282

Hero - check/shoves for $244

UTG - calls

UTG+1 - calls for $130


POT - $770

River - :7c :6d :Kc :8d :2c

UTG flips over :3c :5c and takes the pot with the flush.

UTG+1 mucks without showing but
tells him that Hero beats him as well.

what advice do you have for Hero here?



Comments

  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭✭
    Limpers don't like to fold. If you want to iso, size up.
    2nd question would be if 54s is a hand to aggro with.
  • BourbonizeBourbonize Red Chipper Posts: 42 ✭✭
    I'm never isolating 54s pre OOP. All he did was bloat the pot and have to play OOP with 5 high.
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre NetherlandsRed Chipper Posts: 288 ✭✭✭
    Why not c-bet flop?
    Why not check-raise?

    If UTG is a LAG who bets often and large on flops it's very hard to make +EV calls with draws OOP in my mind.
  • moishetreatsmoishetreats Red Chipper Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3
    When you raise this hand preflop, you're setting yourself up to win almost exclusively by setting up a semi-bluff. Do these Vs fold often enough to make a semi-bluff profitable? Doesn't seem like it.

    Are you deep enough to apply to three streets of real pressure? Doesn't seem like it.

    Call pre-flop or you're setting yourself for MASSIVE variance, one which is -EV in this case and entirely unnecessary.
  • Jordan PowerJordan Power Red Chipper Posts: 230 ✭✭✭
    I can second @moishetreats here from some recent experience where I got overconfident and completely misunderstood how to continue with a hand like this when a SB steal did not work. People at low limits love seeing flops. This is not a good hand to try to start a semi-bluff with unless you're deep and can reasonably assume people will fold.
  • SullySully Red Chipper Posts: 726 ✭✭✭
    edited December 3
    I don't iso with this hand either from the SB but it's still a great spot to analyze because you will be in this scenario often. You could just as easily opened :8s :9s from HJ and gotten 2 callers behind. There probably is not too much difference in ranges from limp callers to cold callers behind in low limit live.

    Many times we will flop exactly what you have.... nothing.. but a slug of equity

    Your choice in these circumstances is always the same. Do you want to check/call your way (many times incorrectly considering pot odds though we are always attracted to those implied odds) until you get there, folding along the way when you don't believe you have the right odds OR finding bluffs that will work often enough if you don't get there adding to the profitablility of these hands.

    You chose Path #1. And you check raised all in on the turn when you got there and got called by a hand that only had 18% chance to win. You should recognize your plan worked perfectly

    Now, @Kmanflex if you decided to take the bluff route:

    What would you have done on flop and why?

    Why would take this route and who would be your ideal opponents?

    What parts of villain's range are you targeting?

    What would be your 3 street plan? 2 street plan? why?

    That's a really interesting discussion

  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I remember my very first interaction with Ed Miller in the early days of RCP, over a very similar spot with the identical hand. He said it was an auto raise pre and i objected on all sorts of grounds. He said he disagreed with everything in my post.

    Interestingly, i still think it's dubious, but now i probably raise it automatically anyway, just like he wanted me to.
  • KmanflexKmanflex Red Chipper Posts: 3 ✭✭
    We’ve been discussing this hand for 2 full days now and this is so eye opening for us. We only have 1 year of experience and I love all this advice and different thought processes to help improve our game. I do think we both got into auto raise mode @persuadeo. When a table has a comfort zone around $10 to $15 you just raise because it feels normal. How do you fix this? Or should we? @Sully I’m going to discuss your questions tonight and I’ll get back to you. Thanks for the quick response everyone. All great advice.
  • LoveFishLoveFish Red Chipper Posts: 48 ✭✭
    edited December 5
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kmanflex wrote: »
    Hero iso's to $15 with :4s :5s

    ($15 was a standard raise for this table for a couple of hours)

    Not sure why this is an iso or who it is supposed to iso.

  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kmanflex wrote: »
    When a table has a comfort zone around $10 to $15 you just raise because it feels normal. How do you fix this? Or should we?

    This still leaves more questions. If the "comfort" zone is $10-15, then this implies to me you're expecting to get called, which means you should have a plan, and if that plan is hoping to flop a straight or flush draw then I have more questions.

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