Tells(found one to share)

LoveFishLoveFish IllinoisRed Chipper Posts: 92 ✭✭
I mostly play cash, however over the last 3 weeks I have been grinding live tournaments daily.

This tell seems pretty obvious and some of you make look for it already.

Card capping: when a person is placing a chip or a “good luck charm” over their two hole cards.

Today I saw multiple opponents only capping their cards when they were going to play their hand. The hole cards would be dealt, they would look, if they liked what they saw they capped their cards, if they didn’t they would not cap.
This simple tell was huge for me in the tournament as I had 2 opponents on the same table doing this. Specifically in a tournament situation I could put added pressure on them when they were in the blinds. It was as if they had already given up on the hand.

Next time your on the felt, check out for card cappers and if they are only capping the Hands
they intend to play!

Anybody else have any easy reads they want to share?

Comments

  • Jordan PowerJordan Power Red Chipper Posts: 429 ✭✭✭
    This is probably the only one I rely on at all. Most players do something specific with their cards that can indicate what they're going to do. I don't look at my cards until I'm one away from having to act to prevent this.
  • dave3096dave3096 Red Chipper Posts: 30 ✭✭
    Here are a couple... Look to your left and see if players will load their cards as if waiting to fold (so you can bet or raise). You can count them as folds. Also, look again and see if any have calling chips in their hands, indicating just a call (so you can raise).
  • RoblivionRoblivion WisconsinRed Chipper Posts: 288 ✭✭✭
    This can be a thing. That's why I always cap my cards regardless of what my intention is. This has actually resulted in people to my right telling me they folded because it looked like I was going to play, and people to my left mentioning they were scared I was going to raise and they wouldn't get to play. To me, that's awesome. I'm pushing people out of the pot with virtually no effort, and exposing myself to bo risk. Of course, it also says something about my opponents that they never noticed I do it EVERY HAND.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,135 -
    Roblivion wrote: »
    This can be a thing. That's why I always cap my cards regardless of what my intention is. This has actually resulted in people to my right telling me they folded because it looked like I was going to play, and people to my left mentioning they were scared I was going to raise and they wouldn't get to play. To me, that's awesome. I'm pushing people out of the pot with virtually no effort, and exposing myself to bo risk. Of course, it also says something about my opponents that they never noticed I do it EVERY HAND.

    Yes, quite. Nice table!
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  • In The DarkIn The Dark Red Chipper Posts: 210 ✭✭
    This is probably the only one I rely on at all. Most players do something specific with their cards that can indicate what they're going to do. I don't look at my cards until I'm one away from having to act to prevent this.

    Better: Look at your cards ASAP and if you're folding then simply avoid the glance downstream at your left side opponents. Keep your hand movements consistent EVERY HAND and only your eye movements will leak this interest in the state of your opponents actions. Is that actually a leak? Not at the levels I play.

    But if you're focused on your left hand opponents every single hand you may become the victim of false tell broadcasting.

  • MichaelBMichaelB Red Chipper Posts: 211 ✭✭✭
    I've found that people tend to show their intentions on their face more in 3bet pots. So if I'm heads up in a 3bet pot, I study the guy as he's looking at the flop. So often I'll see a general sense of discomfort or even shaking the head and sighs. When I see that, it's a green light to bet as a bluff, or to check with a monster.

    Another one that can be risky, but also insanely profitable is to limp or call along in late position with a monster because you can see the guy chip loading in one of the blinds. You'll never see a more confused face when you 4bet him after just calling in late posi. The closer to the button you can get, the better.
  • LoveFishLoveFish IllinoisRed Chipper Posts: 92 ✭✭
    I’m going to start looking for the chip loading tell, especially in tournaments now! Thanks for that one.
  • blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 182 ✭✭
    That chip on the hole cards isn't a good luck charm, it's protection. As for tells I've noticed that every opponent is different, fish are somewhat more genuine in their emotions, but as you encounter more and more experienced players the more nuanced the tells become.

    I have a reg who always shakes his head when he's gotta made hand,

    A reg who stares at the flop when he's looking for value and stares at opps. when he's looking to bluff,

    A reg that feigns nervous,

    A reg that plays with proper posture but slouches when hes either got a monster or air,

    A reg that acts quickly when hes on a bluff, slows his movements when drawing, and tanks when playing for value,

    A lot of regs get chatty when probing for information, suggesting theyre somewhat weak

    A lot of regs get chatty when holding a monster

    Regs that speak with their bet sizings (I'm consciously guilty of this, im always looking for clever ways to hint my hole cards, the last time i did this was $35 on the river with 3h5h making a flush. I do this to tilt thinking players since im always switching my postflop bet sizings up.)

    A LOT of tells can be observed in every player from fish to regs to pros, but the only way to confirm tells is to take hands to showdown consistently.
  • jfarrow13jfarrow13 Red Chipper Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭✭
    I think that one of the most reliable ones for me has always been "if they think for a while, they either got a monster or a weak hand." They are clearly weighing if they want to raise now or later, or if their hand is good enough to call. Quick calls usually mean a drawing hand or a semi-decent hand, MP or TP. Again, some what opponent dependent. Passive opponents will just quickly call draws. Aggressive will think for a while and raise, but will also raise good hands.


    Another SUPER reliable one, is the "fake" or forced smile. I don't get to use this one a ton, but I've noticed it A. With myself, who generally am super comfortable talking, during bluffs and with value, what can I say I'm a chatty Kathy, BUT even though I'm able to control almost all of my other things while chatting and I think I use speech generally to my advantage to gain information, I do notice that if I'm somewhat nervous about a bluff or anything, and I laugh or smile, and it's one of those smiles that quick fade/clearly forced thing, your nervous about your bluff. I notice this with other people too, but they generally gotta be like talking or you gotta get them to react to where they AREN'T try to control their smile or their facial expression, so the nervousness leaks through the the smile fade. A lot of live tells are all about picking up subconscious leaks, which I've always been very perceptive of even before reading about them. Sitting up/moving in closer to the table? Good hand/hand they wanna play. Gets quite and rather focused pre-flop? Good hand. Somewhat turned away from the table? Not super invested in their hand. Eating and suddenly wants to play a hand? Good hand. I think a lot of tells are unreliable when a person is focused, cause they will try to put off fake tells, or they will control their body behavior. They key is to try to drag them out of their comfort zone, or catch them when they are keyed in, which usually is pre-flop, right at the flop, or MW. Heads up....not very reliable.
  • BethMc2dBethMc2d Red Chipper Posts: 6 ✭✭
    The most reliable tell I have found comes from players who have folded pre-flop. Inexperienced players will get visibly upset when they fold and then find that they would have connected with the flop. This can be helpful when you have a paired flop like 7-7-K and one of the pre-flop folders makes some display of frustration. Unless you have some reason to think he/she is faking it; you can be pretty sure that one of the missing 7s was mucked. This is often a reliable tell because those not in the hand don't usually have a reason for trying to be deceptive.
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre NetherlandsRed Chipper Posts: 483 ✭✭✭
    BethMc2d wrote: »
    The most reliable tell I have found comes from players who have folded pre-flop. Inexperienced players will get visibly upset when they fold and then find that they would have connected with the flop. This can be helpful when you have a paired flop like 7-7-K and one of the pre-flop folders makes some display of frustration. Unless you have some reason to think he/she is faking it; you can be pretty sure that one of the missing 7s was mucked. This is often a reliable tell because those not in the hand don't usually have a reason for trying to be deceptive.

    Oh yes, this happens a lot! Always feel bad for using this tell against my unaware opponent. Shouldn't we say something about it, or is that the dealer's job?
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,135 -
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    BethMc2d wrote: »
    The most reliable tell I have found comes from players who have folded pre-flop. Inexperienced players will get visibly upset when they fold and then find that they would have connected with the flop. This can be helpful when you have a paired flop like 7-7-K and one of the pre-flop folders makes some display of frustration. Unless you have some reason to think he/she is faking it; you can be pretty sure that one of the missing 7s was mucked. This is often a reliable tell because those not in the hand don't usually have a reason for trying to be deceptive.

    Oh yes, this happens a lot! Always feel bad for using this tell against my unaware opponent. Shouldn't we say something about it, or is that the dealer's job?

    Unfortunately I don't think dealers can ask players not to get visibly upset, but the good ones will do something if the behavior is further down the bad etiquette/breaking the rules spectrum. For example, the next step up from this is when you see a player who folded pre look at the flop, give a rueful smile, then whisper in their neighbor's ear. It's usually pretty obvious what's just happened, plus many of us who have spent thousands of hours in casinos have some degree of hearing loss and are decent lip-readers. I don't recall ever seeing that called out by a dealer. Honestly, a player pretty much has to leap out of their chair and scream "Oh My Effing Ceiling Cat I folded 72o!!!" for any action to be taken, and even then there are some dealers who apparently find it amusing with no comprehension of how this impacts the game.

    Another common behavior which screws with the integrity of the game is the pre-fold. This seems to be mostly found in players even older than me, who have their cards a couple of inches above the table and cocked ready to spin them into the muck. I imagine over the years this has made me more money than it's lost me, but it's plain rude.
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  • Brews_and_CardsBrews_and_Cards Red Chipper Posts: 101 ✭✭
    The one live MTT I've played, I noticed and used this tell a lot. Players who immediately look at their cards, ignoring everything else at the table, and put them in the "ready to muck" state. They would either hold them in their fingers just off the felt, or between their fingers ready to send them in the middle, or immediately look at the television because they're now disinterested in the hand.

    Not having played a lot of live poker, I went with the intent of really limiting my movements while in the hand, and trying to do the same motions whether I fold or not. I was surprised to see so many players openly telling everyone their feelings about their cards.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,135 -
    The one live MTT I've played, I noticed and used this tell a lot. Players who immediately look at their cards, ignoring everything else at the table, and put them in the "ready to muck" state. They would either hold them in their fingers just off the felt, or between their fingers ready to send them in the middle, or immediately look at the television because they're now disinterested in the hand.

    Not having played a lot of live poker, I went with the intent of really limiting my movements while in the hand, and trying to do the same motions whether I fold or not. I was surprised to see so many players openly telling everyone their feelings about their cards.

    Agree it's baffling, but ultimately more pie for us.
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  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 11
    Here is a good fake tell to try.

    Let's say you've never played with anyone at the table before. First you have to set it up. For example you have :2S: :2C: and the board is :9H: :8H: :5H: :9C: . Bet, but rub your temple with your finger. It's best to hit a card like :2H: on the river, but either way make sure to show your hand down so they know you were bluffing.

    Now a little later in the evening (maybe after the table takes a short break to let players murder a couple people, take showers with their girlfriends in formal wear, or whatever), when you get a hand like :JC: :JS: on a board of :JH: :KS: :AC: :JD: :KD: , wait until the river so that your opponent hits his :AH: :KH: . Then bet, but of course be sure to rub your temple first. Your opponent will think you might be bluffing again and he will probably do what all good players do when you bluff, which is raise, but just a minraise to show weakness. Then shove all in. There is a good chance your opponent will still call because your finger is still on your temple, and he thinks a full house might be able to beat a bluff.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    Another common behavior which screws with the integrity of the game is the pre-fold.

    I think the muck-check is the worst. Let's say there are 3 people in the hand and the river card comes. The 1st player checks and the 2nd player just mucks. You give him a dirty look, and he says "What?? I had 3 high, I had no chance to win." Gives the 3rd player an advantage which the 2nd player apparently couldn't possibly understand.

  • ThePokerStudentThePokerStudent Red Chipper Posts: 2 ✭✭
    MichaelB wrote: »
    , I study the guy as he's looking at the flop. So often I'll see a general sense of discomfort or even shaking the head and sighs.

    That's my reverse tell. Flop comes, makes my hand and I blink and sigh. "I had a good [email protected]#%in hand, too". When the fact is that I've got a monster with a dry board.
  • MichaelBMichaelB Red Chipper Posts: 211 ✭✭✭
    edited March 11
    MichaelB wrote: »
    , I study the guy as he's looking at the flop. So often I'll see a general sense of discomfort or even shaking the head and sighs.

    That's my reverse tell. Flop comes, makes my hand and I blink and sigh. "I had a good [email protected]#%in hand, too". When the fact is that I've got a monster with a dry board.

    I'd be careful with that, depending on the calibre of players you're up against. One of the biggest tells in live poker is appearing disappointed but giving action anyway. Unless you're an academy award winning Hollywooder, I think maintaining a deadpan poker face is the safer strategy.

    Just the other day I watched a guy call a 3bet squeeze then, after facing a cbet, go on for a good 15 seconds, pursing his lips, huffing through his nose, furrowing his brow and even shaking his head slightly. The fact that he hadn't folded to the bet yet, then 'reluctantly' make the call allowed me to put him on a monster straight away.

    If the guy he was up against had been more observant and less focused on his own hand and chips, he'd have seen that the guy was Hollywooding with AQ on a KJT rainbow flop.

    I'm not saying that's you, just putting out a general warning to be careful with things like reverse tells.

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