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  • ericmwhiteericmwhite Red Chipper Posts: 34 ✭✭
    I am currently working on general hand/range reading (is that way too general?)

    I just finished studying Poker's 1% (book and SplitSuit course).

    I primarily play NL10 and NL20 cash games
  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,032 -
    ericmwhite wrote: »
    I am currently working on general hand/range reading (is that way too general?)

    I just finished studying Poker's 1% (book and SplitSuit course).

    I primarily play NL10 and NL20 cash games

    That is a little general, but assuming you are working on putting THEM on a range, I would suggest the following:

    That should build up a solid foundation while giving some solid specific hand breakdowns to piece it together =)
  • ericmwhiteericmwhite Red Chipper Posts: 34 ✭✭
    Very cool, thanks!
  • SplitSuitSplitSuit RCP Coach Posts: 4,032 -
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    Wanted to throw in my 2c on the purpose of this thread.

    Through talking to coaches and doing some coaching myself, one common denominator is that poker players who are trying to improve get stuck on the direction they should be taking. There is simply so much information out there. And at the risk of sounding like a politician, many players are confronted with known unknowns and unknown unknowns. In other words, it's not always obvious what to study next when you don't know what there is to study.

    So basically this thread gives all of you the opportunity to tell us where you are at in your poker development, and as a team we'll do our best to tell you where to go. In a good way, that is.
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  • DPokerTDPokerT Red Chipper Posts: 25 ✭✭
    Currently play 20NL & 50NL online. With occasional shots at 1/3 live. I play cash exclusively, unless I can jump in on a sick tournament overlay. Currently working on BB & SB play.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    Blind play is a somewhat neglected topic in live cash, partly because chopping is so common, but here are some of our resources.

    Mike Gano gave a great overview on our podcast: https://redchippoker.com/playing-blinds-poker-podcast/

    One of our first PRO videos by Ed Miller dealt with it in a live cash setting: https://redchippoker.com/pro-video-miller006/

    The topic more normally crops up in short-stacked tournament spots, as covered in a couple of videos from Gareth James:

    https://redchippoker.com/pro-video-james012/
    https://redchippoker.com/pro-video-james014/

    I also found Jones' player pool analysis useful in this regard, simply because defending from the blinds or facing a defense from the blinds leads to a lot of the situations he explores:

    https://redchippoker.com/pro/playlists/player-pool-analysis/

    For similar reasons our extensive material and donk betting is pertinent. That's dotted over our PRO content and also appears in "Postflop II" in CORE.
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  • Patrick LawlerPatrick Lawler Red Chipper Posts: 97 ✭✭
    Hi!

    So I'm currently working through Core level 2 (currently at post flop: C-betting), and also reading Poker Plays You Can Use Vol1. in the last few months something has really clicked and I'm working in alot more aggression in to my game (somewhere between TAG and full blown LAG) something which was greatly lacking before. Occasionally putting myself in spots where i'm a bit lost but not too often.

    I'm predominately a live player 1/1 and 1/2; and i think i need to work on live hand reading and player profiling and explorations. but would be open to anyhting else you think would be useful?

    thanks,
    Pat
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    edited January 14
    There seems to be something approaching a consensus that getting good at hand-reading is one of the critical jumps in poker skill. Because of this, developing the skill is baked into the structure of CORE. Notably the L2 "Ranges" section will help a lot.

    So in some ways, the path you're on here first requires you to profile opponents to figure out their ranges, then understanding how to exploit that info through a solid understanding of range vs range poker. Hand reading in this context is understanding how those ranges are trimmed down by the betting action.

    You're likely aware of Ed Miller's book "How to read hands at NLHE." The exercises in that are useful, although I confess I found it heavy going, but no pain no gain etc. A more recent and extremely good workbook on hand-reading was produced by SplitSuit.

    Additional material that lives in the dustier corners of RCP includes my article on player profiling, and a podcast episode on the same topic.

    To make any of this work, you also need to record and review your hands. This is trickier live, but we have some tips on the topic as well as resources.

    Our PRO library has many pertinent videos that I can describe if you choose to take that path.
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  • Patrick LawlerPatrick Lawler Red Chipper Posts: 97 ✭✭
    Thanks Kat,
    Yes i have the workbook and Miller book, I just struggle so much with doing this live. i need to internalise the process. But, player profiling should help alot.

    I was thinking about taking the Aggression crash course but not sure i should be trying to transition to LAG while i am only now getting used to the amount of aggression currently in my game
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    Thanks Kat,
    Yes i have the workbook and Miller book, I just struggle so much with doing this live. i need to internalise the process. But, player profiling should help alot.

    I was thinking about taking the Aggression crash course but not sure i should be trying to transition to LAG while i am only now getting used to the amount of aggression currently in my game

    I guess the argument in favor is that if you're adding in more aggression, a course on how to do that would be likely to help. That said, I think the trick with a lot of personal development in poker is to take an incremental approach. As you said above, whenever we change our approach it throws up new situations.
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  • pokerdj4pokerdj4 NYRed Chipper Posts: 26 ✭✭
    Just purchased a pro membership. I primarily play 10nL online and occasional 200nL live at the local casino.

    Currently, I am working on my leaks and refining my fundamentals. I work on my leaks by reviewing my hands and seeing what mistakes I am continuously making and writing down what my mistake was in the hand. I review the list weekly in hopes to keep the list fresh in my head so that I can try to avoid those obvious spots. I just finished core for the 2nd time to get the fundamentals down more solid.

    What that said, I believe a huge block in my game is my mentality. I have been profiting at 10nL the past few months while playing ONLY 3 tables. Any more or less tables and I am a consistent loser.

    I also feel that reviewing my own hands is missing something as I do not feel that I am retaining the information learned from that review. Perhaps I am not asking myself the correct questions in those hand reviews?
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    A couple of things caught my eye immediately here.

    The fact you're playing mostly online can be a massive benefit in leak finding and improving, particularly if you're playing on a site where you can run PT4 or similar tracking software. Reviewing individual hands and looking for mistakes is important, particularly if you use that analysis to improve your hand reading skills. SplitSuit's hand-reading lab is an excellent additional resource for this, beyond what we have in PRO and CORE.

    So while I definitely think your current hand reviews are a great idea, as you've discovered you'll tend to end up with lists. The trick is to find within those lists the patterns in your errors. This makes it easier to correct them, and where tracking software can be so incredibly useful. One PRO series that we've recently formatted into a convenient playlist is the one by Adam Jones on player pool analysis. Much of the focus is on what the current pool of online players is doing wrong and how you can exploit it, but what you also get is a breakdown of common errors such as frequencies diverging from optimal. Comparing that to your own database (if you can generate one) you get a big picture leakfinder of where you're playing less than optimally.

    There are other excellent series in the PRO library, but the one just mentioned I think could be an immediate benefit. I'm happy to suggest others once you've checked it out.

    The second point that jumped out was that you're only a consistent winner when playing exactly 3 tables, and you suspect there may be a mental-game issue underlying it. It's worth pointing out up front that without knowing how many hands you've played it's possible this is just a case of over-splicing the data. That said, I had a similar experience when I was putting in high-volume LHE online.

    It sort of makes sense that if you add more tables than you can currently handle, it'll depress your win-rate. If you're using a HUD this really just comes down to how much time you need to make decisions. As you gain more experience, that required time inevitably drops. When I play online these days it's mostly PLO and PLO8 and I'm most comfortable at 4 tables (no HUD allowed). More than that I start missing things like bet-sizing tells and just generally lose the gameflow.

    What's more interesting to me is you're losing when you play only one or two tables. That definitely sounds like a boredom/discipline issue. What is equally interesting is you volunteered the suggestion you have a mental-game issue in this regard. Anyone who reaches this conclusion on their own almost certainly could benefit from some mental game work. I say this because I know of so many players who have mental game leaks and seem unwilling to do anything about it or are simply oblivious.

    Thanks to Dr. Tricia Cardner's PRO videos we have a mini-library in this area. It's hard for me to recommend what you might check out first, since all I know about you is this 3-table oddity, but I suspect by browsing the titles at the link above something will jump out at you. I really like her mindset trap series, and the two based on Stoic philosophy. But if distraction is the problem when you're playing less than 3 tables, maybe Dealing With A Distracted Mind would be the starting point.

    Please feel free to let us know about your progress and let me know if I and/or the community can be of further assistance.
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  • Pizzo85Pizzo85 Red Chipper Posts: 8 ✭✭
    I'm working on proper positional opening ranges. Is there a range for MP, or should I treat everything like early position until cutoff and button?
  • U_TurnU_Turn Las VegasRed Chipper Posts: 42 ✭✭
    I’ve recently gone through CORE rather quickly for a high level overview and now am getting ready to dig deeper. I also just upgraded to PRO since I couldn’t resist monthly live webinars.

    Anyway, I’m going to build my game from the ground up. My next course of action is to buy Flopzilla and begin studying pre-flop in depth.

    I play live 1/2 cash games in Las Vegas.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    Pizzo85 wrote: »
    I'm working on proper positional opening ranges. Is there a range for MP, or should I treat everything like early position until cutoff and button?

    That's sort of a matter of style. Here at RCP both Ed Miller and Ross Glover recommend having the same range from UTG to HJ. This has considerable advantages in postflop play once you dig into how your range performs on various boards.
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  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    U_Turn wrote: »
    I’ve recently gone through CORE rather quickly for a high level overview and now am getting ready to dig deeper. I also just upgraded to PRO since I couldn’t resist monthly live webinars.

    Anyway, I’m going to build my game from the ground up. My next course of action is to buy Flopzilla and begin studying pre-flop in depth.

    I play live 1/2 cash games in Las Vegas.

    Quick observation; Flopzilla is most useful for looking at how our preflop ranges connect with the flop, so IMO it's more of a postflop tool.

    If you're playing Vegas live 1/2 I'd strongly endorse your plan of a deeper pass through CORE. And now you have PRO membership I think Ed's series "The Course" will be really useful. Even if you've read the book the series has useful additional nuggets, plus occasional nerdy references to alpha-particles.

    For your convenience we put that one into a playlist: https://redchippoker.com/pro/playlists/the-course/
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  • Pizzo85Pizzo85 Red Chipper Posts: 8 ✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    Pizzo85 wrote: »
    I'm working on proper positional opening ranges. Is there a range for MP, or should I treat everything like early position until cutoff and button?

    That's sort of a matter of style. Here at RCP both Ed Miller and Ross Glover recommend having the same range from UTG to HJ. This has considerable advantages in postflop play once you dig into how your range performs on various boards.

    Thank you
  • U_TurnU_Turn Las VegasRed Chipper Posts: 42 ✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    U_Turn wrote: »
    I’ve recently gone through CORE rather quickly for a high level overview and now am getting ready to dig deeper. I also just upgraded to PRO since I couldn’t resist monthly live webinars.

    Anyway, I’m going to build my game from the ground up. My next course of action is to buy Flopzilla and begin studying pre-flop in depth.

    I play live 1/2 cash games in Las Vegas.

    Quick observation; Flopzilla is most useful for looking at how our preflop ranges connect with the flop, so IMO it's more of a postflop tool.

    If you're playing Vegas live 1/2 I'd strongly endorse your plan of a deeper pass through CORE. And now you have PRO membership I think Ed's series "The Course" will be really useful. Even if you've read the book the series has useful additional nuggets, plus occasional nerdy references to alpha-particles.

    For your convenience we put that one into a playlist: https://redchippoker.com/pro/playlists/the-course/

    I’m happy to say that was the first video series I watched after upgrading, so thanks for reinforcing that I’m on a good path. I struggle a bit with Ed’s suggested starting hands in UTG through UTG+2 seeming pretty loose but I also like the KISS theory for preflop play.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    U_Turn wrote: »
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    U_Turn wrote: »
    I’ve recently gone through CORE rather quickly for a high level overview and now am getting ready to dig deeper. I also just upgraded to PRO since I couldn’t resist monthly live webinars.

    Anyway, I’m going to build my game from the ground up. My next course of action is to buy Flopzilla and begin studying pre-flop in depth.

    I play live 1/2 cash games in Las Vegas.

    Quick observation; Flopzilla is most useful for looking at how our preflop ranges connect with the flop, so IMO it's more of a postflop tool.

    If you're playing Vegas live 1/2 I'd strongly endorse your plan of a deeper pass through CORE. And now you have PRO membership I think Ed's series "The Course" will be really useful. Even if you've read the book the series has useful additional nuggets, plus occasional nerdy references to alpha-particles.

    For your convenience we put that one into a playlist: https://redchippoker.com/pro/playlists/the-course/

    I’m happy to say that was the first video series I watched after upgrading, so thanks for reinforcing that I’m on a good path. I struggle a bit with Ed’s suggested starting hands in UTG through UTG+2 seeming pretty loose but I also like the KISS theory for preflop play.

    100% agree, as I laid out here: https://redchippoker.com/opening-ranges-seduction/

    As you'll see from the comments, this is still a lively area of debate.
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  • CactusCardsCactusCards ArizonaRed Chipper Posts: 139 ✭✭
    Right now working through CORE once again, but I'm trying to focus on my MTT game. I find myself playing more of them, and cashing in turbos pretty regularly in our local casino, but want to make sure I can up my game in time for summer where I'll be spending about 10 days in LV around world series time and plan on some deep stack tourneys around town.

    I also need to get a crash course on what software to purchase/use. I feel a little behind the 8-ball with a mac (no flopzilla or Equilab capability which I hear are two great options)
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    Right now working through CORE once again, but I'm trying to focus on my MTT game. I find myself playing more of them, and cashing in turbos pretty regularly in our local casino, but want to make sure I can up my game in time for summer where I'll be spending about 10 days in LV around world series time and plan on some deep stack tourneys around town.

    I also need to get a crash course on what software to purchase/use. I feel a little behind the 8-ball with a mac (no flopzilla or Equilab capability which I hear are two great options)

    This advice has a habit of fueling the long-running OS wars, but if you're serious about poker my opinion is you either need a Windows emulator with which you're comfortable or just buy a Windows machine. This has been the case since around 2002 and was the reason I left linuxworld.

    We have a resource for software which honestly is in major need of updating, but it does at least give you an overview of what is out there. Another resource is our forum board on the topic.

    In terms of MTT resources, we have been adding in more L3 CORE tournament hand examples. Our PRO library is replete (posh) with excellent videos. If you're still pretty new to MTTs, my ongoing series may be of help.
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  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭✭
    I also need to get a crash course on what software to purchase/use. I feel a little behind the 8-ball with a mac (no flopzilla or Equilab capability which I hear are two great options)

    I boot my MacBook up with Windows 7 every day to use all my poker software.

  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 107 ✭✭
    So I just finished Core and signed up for Pro. I play a mix of cash and tourneys but have been trying to improve my cash game. I want to go part time pro this month playing about 15 hours a week 2 tabling (for now) at 20nl with a BR of 30 buy ins ($600 playing .10/.20 in case I worded that wrong). As my BR grows from earnings and work pay deposits I will move up in limits. Also the decision to go up will be based on how I feel my skill level is at the current level. Won’t jump up just because I have the money to.

    On the site I play on there are way more 6max tables than 9max but I play 9max when the seating is available. As the levels go up there are no 9max once you reach $1/$2.

    I use a HUD (Hold Em Indicator) but the site I play on doesn’t store hand histories. So I don’t have access to Poker Tracker type data. HUD only gives me other players tendencies. It will save recent sessions.

    One of my sub-goals is to be an expert at using a HUD to play better exploitative poker in addition to building an overall pro poker player level skill set.

    Thanks in advance for your help. I promise you won’t have a more focused and eager student. This is my #1 goal in life to make all my other life goals possible.

    I have an addiction to suited gappers.

    Current software I have is Hold Em Indicator and Equilab. Plan on buying Flopzilla as well.

    Need more info let me know.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    Welcome to PRO!

    One resource you might like to start with is SplitSuit's article on getting the most out of videos: https://redchippoker.com/how-to-learn-poker-from-videos/

    It's irritating that you can't build up a PT4 database, particularly since one of your stated goals is to become a exploitative-through-HUD specialist. It sounds like a useful step at this point would be to attempt to establish if you'll have access to sites that do support PT4. Point being, we have a couple of excellent series on HUD use, but until you're in a position to use that information I would think a different focus would be more rewarding and profitable, at least initially.

    Suited-gapper addiction is natural - 86s is The Kat - but potentially costly if left unchecked.

    So back to what to study next. If you're mostly looking to work on your cash game, both the live crash course and the aggression crash course are likely good places to start. The online limits you're playing are not too different, particularly at 9-max. from live $1/$2, hence the recommendation of the former.

    Beyond that I think it's extremely useful to identify areas where you may be weak. Posting HHs here is excellent, of course, both for valuable feedback and to discover where your weaknesses are. Once you've identified areas most in need of improvement, it's easier to hook you up with PRO series that aim to correct those leaks, or which extend the CORE undergrad information to the graduate level.

    Cheers ~ Kat
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  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 107 ✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    Welcome to PRO!

    It's irritating that you can't build up a PT4 database, particularly since one of your stated goals is to become a exploitative-through-HUD specialist. It sounds like a useful step at this point would be to attempt to establish if you'll have access to sites that do support PT4. Point being, we have a couple of excellent series on HUD use, but until you're in a position to use that information I would think a different focus would be more rewarding and profitable,
    Cheers ~Kat

    Good news is I do have a working HUD that builds up a database of opponents tendencies and displays them. Are there any videos/courses specifically regarding understanding and utilizing HUD stats?

    I’m going through the videos and can’t get past whatever page I’m on because I stop and watch a video that interests me.
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  • U_TurnU_Turn Las VegasRed Chipper Posts: 42 ✭✭
    @TheGameKat Please recommend some videos and/or articles (I still like to read) on evaluating flop texture and c-betting. I found some but want to make sure I don't miss anything particularly valuable. Thanks.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    U_Turn wrote: »
    @TheGameKat Please recommend some videos and/or articles (I still like to read) on evaluating flop texture and c-betting. I found some but want to make sure I don't miss anything particularly valuable. Thanks.

    Would you remind me what your subscription level is, please?
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  • U_TurnU_Turn Las VegasRed Chipper Posts: 42 ✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    U_Turn wrote: »
    @TheGameKat Please recommend some videos and/or articles (I still like to read) on evaluating flop texture and c-betting. I found some but want to make sure I don't miss anything particularly valuable. Thanks.

    Would you remind me what your subscription level is, please?

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