Bad check on the flop ?
Jeffrey O
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MTT - South FL
2k/4k/4k
H Stack 61500
V Stack 80ish
H-MP :As :Ah - open to 18k
V- HJ - Calls
Everyone else folds
Pot: 46K
Flop: :Kd :2h :Td
H-Check
V-All In
H-Calls
Run-Out :Xd :Xd
V :9h :9d - 4 card flush
I was looking for the check, shove bc the V had been betting flops when checked to him in position. V shoved first, I thought I should have the :Ad blocked most of the time so I figured I was up against a middle pair or a Kx combo draw.
Is anyone shoving the flop w/ a :Kd :2h :Td coordinated flop?
2k/4k/4k
H Stack 61500
V Stack 80ish
H-MP :As :Ah - open to 18k
V- HJ - Calls
Everyone else folds
Pot: 46K
Flop: :Kd :2h :Td
H-Check
V-All In
H-Calls
Run-Out :Xd :Xd
V :9h :9d - 4 card flush
I was looking for the check, shove bc the V had been betting flops when checked to him in position. V shoved first, I thought I should have the :Ad blocked most of the time so I figured I was up against a middle pair or a Kx combo draw.
Is anyone shoving the flop w/ a :Kd :2h :Td coordinated flop?
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After Pre-Flop, you only have 43.5k. The pot is 46K. Because the board is coordinated, I'm never giving a free card. Then again, you have no chips left to play with.
I anticipated a flop bet from the V, I wanted to go check shove to try and ensure all the chips got in .
was the correct option to shove the flop w/ 10 bb's and try to take down the? if he calls then he calls and I'm hoping to hold up
Probably more correct to just open shove PF. 99 likely calls.
To take the least chance of getting cracked...sure..shove. But is that our goal? The pot is too big to give the illusion of fold equity...not like you can bet half the pot and fold to a shove. Any bet commits you.
What I am really looking to do is double up in this spot. It isn't what is the best way I don't get beat...it's what is the best way I can get all the chips in the middle. I could let a Flush draw shove on me and it puts me in a great spot to chip up. You got exactly what we had hoped for!!
You are an 87% favorite vs. hands like this with one diamond...and a 70+% favorite at most anything else!
This happens in poker all the time...shrug it off....gh.
I think this was an OK play. Do you think dude would have went over the top if facing a cbet?
I don't, I think he would have folded. He's shove was pretty inline with what I'd watch him do when ppl checked flops to him while he's in position.
I'm just wondering if there's a better line to take here.
As far as your question about the importance of the :AD: , not having it is better since there are more bluff opportunities for your opponent. Having it in your hand will help equity wise but you will run into slightly more made hands.
yeah ure def being results oriented. When it comes to MTT, you are allowed to play more in a vacuum as opposed to cash games, so in this instance you want to do anything exploitatively to get the money in. This board will hit your opponents range at a decent amount but not so much that would leave you to open shoving.
If the board was more disadvantageous for you then i would just shove or if your hand was more vulnerable like Jx or Draws that need to shove. But holding AA here, just do whatever you can to get him to put more money in.
@Faustovaldez123 Makes sense! Thanks again
you think 4.5bb from middle position w/ 15bb is massive?
In a tournament yeah, I'm never opening more than 2.5x here unless I shove.
Agreed. When you open that big with your stack...doesn't matter how or when the chips go in. You are committed and it looks super strong. You also can't raise light to that amount because it's 1/3 of your stack.
That shove into you is so bad it makes me laugh.