No luck online

blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 144 ✭✭
So the past couple weeks I've been trying my luck in online play to no avail

I keep finding myself in situations that just flat out make no sense

Playing .10/.25 on Ignition Poker

I had a busted flush draw, fired 3 barrels just to get called down by pocket 4s (bottomest pair)

TPTK with AK, I shove flop to get called by a backdoor flush draw which connects

Won .85c with a straight flush holding A5s after betting 1/3 pot on turn into 4 players

And the list goes on

Is this normal for micro stakes? I feel like im playing bots or something
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  • AceFromSpaceKKAceFromSpaceKK Red Chipper Posts: 273 ✭✭
    I don't play on Ignition but getting called down light is completely standard for the micros.
  • Brian BBrian B Red Chipper Posts: 18 ✭✭
    I have about 70k hands in my database from my play on Ignition, mostly at the 100nl level. I have not noticed anything shady on the site and I play on it daily. If players are calling you down light with bottom pair, just bluff those opponents less and value bet more thinly. If people are calling your shoves with backdoor flush draws you should be excited as over the long term you will print money against them.
  • blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 144 ✭✭
    Ok thanks sounds like I need to adjust my game for online play,

    Do you tend to take a more mathematical approach since theres no player stats or hud in ignition or do you find ways to play exploitatively as well?
  • Brian BBrian B Red Chipper Posts: 18 ✭✭
    I have a HUD (DriveHud). I think a mixture of both works best. You should always be making adjustments as your opponents provide you more information about their strategy.
  • rickmfrickmf Red Chipper Posts: 103 ✭✭
    i feel like you will run into a very wide range of player types in the micros. nitty types and spewy fish and call stations and you name it.

    a lot of it wont make sense
  • blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 144 ✭✭
    Sounds like micros is a waste of money then

    Is 100nl a bit more solid in terms of play?

    And I couldve sworn ignition poker prided itself in anonymity.. Am I at a huge disadvantage playing without a hud (I'm on my phone so im pretty sure I cant download one)?
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 1,923 -
    blindraise wrote: »
    Sounds like micros is a waste of money then

    Is 100nl a bit more solid in terms of play?

    And I couldve sworn ignition poker prided itself in anonymity.. Am I at a huge disadvantage playing without a hud (I'm on my phone so im pretty sure I cant download one)?

    The idea that higher limits are easier to beat is one of the myths Adam will be busting in his group coaching session on Jan 30th.
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  • LeChiffreLeChiffre NetherlandsRed Chipper Posts: 430 ✭✭✭
    Nothing tilts me more in poker than players skipping the micros because their opponents play weird.
  • Brian BBrian B Red Chipper Posts: 18 ✭✭
    I would suggest moving up based on your skill level increasing as well as your bankroll as you beat the lower limits. $100nl is absolutely more difficult than the micros. You will run into, on average, players with a higher skill set.
  • blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 144 ✭✭
    I mean I thought I was pretty solid, im a winning player on live 1/2 but I've already lost 4 buy-ins on the micros.
  • DPokerTDPokerT Red Chipper Posts: 23 ✭✭
    In the online environment the skill level is much higher at a given stake compared to live.

    If you can't win against bad players, then you have no business moving up. Poker is a game of adjustments, so adjust.
  • DPokerTDPokerT Red Chipper Posts: 23 ✭✭
    Also a 4 buyin drawdown is no big deal
  • LoveFishLoveFish IllinoisRed Chipper Posts: 85 ✭✭
    edited January 21
    A lot of the time micros will not make any sense because of the “F*** it factor” this when you say to your self “F*** it” it’s only 50 cents to call my gutter ball or It’s only 2$ all in, ill gamble. Skill goes out the window a lot of time at these very low stakes as losing 2$ doesn’t really matter to anyone.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 1,923 -
    LoveFish wrote: »
    A lot of the time micros will not make any sense because of the “F*** it factor” this when you say to your self “F*** it” it’s only 50 cents to call my gutter ball or It’s only 2$ all in, ill gamble. Skill goes out the window a lot of time at these very low stakes as losing 2$ doesn’t really matter to anyone.

    I think the eff it factor guarantees you're gonna get drawn out on more and in weird and wonderful ways, but if someone can't develop a sound strategy to beat people playing that badly, it's too soon to move up IMO.
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  • blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 144 ✭✭
    edited January 21
    Yeahh im taking another shot after reading the comments

    Seems like playing tight pre and fit or fold post is a profitable option

    I find the occasional oppurtunities to squeeze if I can find a decent thinking player or a passive fish to iso

    Think my biggest leak was taking my standard 7-8x pfr from live to the online environment, also not used to 100bb being the max buy in

    Above all I gotta say the micros are pretty damn boring.
  • rickmfrickmf Red Chipper Posts: 103 ✭✭
    you can occasionally get the bluff through, but i think it's important to know who you're playing against, and be patient waiting for good opportunities. Have also found very few people other than the regs to be bluffing when making almost all turn or river bets/ raises.

    seems like it should be easier to 'print money' at the micros than it is, but like most have said i don't think it gets easier at higher stake. There are maniacs and (almost?) just as many silly hands in higher stakes as well, or am i wrong?
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 1,923 -
    rickmf wrote: »
    you can occasionally get the bluff through, but i think it's important to know who you're playing against, and be patient waiting for good opportunities. Have also found very few people other than the regs to be bluffing when making almost all turn or river bets/ raises.

    seems like it should be easier to 'print money' at the micros than it is, but like most have said i don't think it gets easier at higher stake. There are maniacs and (almost?) just as many silly hands in higher stakes as well, or am i wrong?

    Mostly it's simply that as you move up a greater number of players at each table will be less terrible.
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  • blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 144 ✭✭
    I found a good strategy, and its a stupid one:

    Just 3bet shove 100+BB into a 5BB pot with JJ+, get called down for the quick double up, rinse, repeat.
  • The_Juic3The_Juic3 Red Chipper Posts: 29 ✭✭
    blindraise wrote: »
    I found a good strategy, and its a stupid one:

    Just 3bet shove 100+BB into a 5BB pot with JJ+, get called down for the quick double up, rinse, repeat.

    Where online are you playing where this works at all? Even 5/10c on stars this wouldnt work that well
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,889 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your titanic struggles reverberate through the grey clouds of the interwebosphere. Let us bow our heads in memory of your four buy-ins.
  • blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 144 ✭✭
    @The_Juic3 I'm playing Ignition Poker on my phone. I took the "F-It factor" @LoveFish referenced and managed to turn $50 into $200 last night.

    I'll 3bet shove, double up, leave the lobby and return so players arent intimidated by my stack size, and top up if I drop below 75BB.

    Occasionally got called by a premium and was fortunate enough not to run into a higher pocket pair.

    Played poker a few hands inbetween but thats about it!
  • rickmfrickmf Red Chipper Posts: 103 ✭✭
    would love to hear what kind of hands you were getting called with.
  • BigFarmBigFarm MontrealRed Chipper Posts: 42 ✭✭
    Flawless strategy. Good luck!
  • blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 144 ✭✭
    @rickmf

    The first time I tried this a player in MP raised 3BB, I shoved :QD::QH: in the BB with 80BB and he called with :TD::9H:. He had me covered

    2nd time CO(50BB) raises 3BB I shove 90BB with :JD::JS: he calls with :TH::8H:

    3rd time I limped UTG with :KC::KS: BB Raises 7BB I shove 90BB he calls with :AH::JC:

    Theres more but those were the most memorable haha
  • Jordan PowerJordan Power Red Chipper Posts: 393 ✭✭✭
    I am positive this strategy will serve you well long term and would be more than happy to play with you anytime, knowing that I, too, will be unable to beat such a well-thought out strategy to counter the micros....
  • The_Juic3The_Juic3 Red Chipper Posts: 29 ✭✭
    Buddy.......stahp
  • blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 144 ✭✭
    @persuadeo

    Yes! Feel my micro-pain echo through the halls of the red chip poker forum and let everyone remember too their days of troubles and agony that came from micro stakes. 4 buy ins!!

    @Jordan Power is it wrong to advocate collusion if youre colluding against fish?

    @The_Juic3 I'll stop once I have a bankroll big enough to get out of these damn stakes haha.
  • LewElLewEl Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
    I am just getting into online poker as I do enjoy an occasional live game. But without any friends who play and no casinos near me I don't get to play anywhere near as much as I want.

    Plus, what beats playing poker in your pants with a cup of tea and biscuit.

    Anyway, I intend to start micro/low stakes while I improve my game (and bankroll) and then move on up. I'm playing 6Max SnG as although i like the idea of cash games I don't want to develop a game against "F-Its, its only micro" players and then have to unlearn and relearn at the low/medium stakes.

    Not sure what my point is... F-It it's only a forum
  • The_Juic3The_Juic3 Red Chipper Posts: 29 ✭✭
    blindraise wrote: »
    @The_Juic3 I'll stop once I have a bankroll big enough to get out of these damn stakes haha.

    My man... I am concerned you will never get a bankroll big enough to get out of the micros this way, and if you do, I fear watching you lose it at the higher stakes. Playing like this will soon become habit, and then....well you end up going from the penthouse (relatively speaking) to the outhouse

  • Brews_and_CardsBrews_and_Cards Red Chipper Posts: 101 ✭✭
    I busted a player's stack last night who was playing very similar to your claimed style. Shoving 80BB into 10BB pots, open shoving 100BB, and some other nonsense. He won a few small-medium pots against some fish. But you could tell the other regs were waiting to pick their spot. I happened to get lucky and catch AA against him. He flatted my 4bet pre. Flop goes check-check on a really dry board. Turn is another blank, and he donk shoves 100BB into a 60BB pot. I take his stack when he shows 72o with a pair of 2s.

    You might say, "oh I would never shove or 3b 72o." But if you only sit down for 20 hands and all the Regs go into nit-mode against you. You might start getting ideas that you can shove over us and get us to fold. And it'll be exactly what we wanted you to do.

    You'll find some success against fish. Regs will see you coming from a mile away and give you just enough rope to hang yourself. For every 25-50BB pot you win against a fish, you'll lose 2-4x that when a good Reg catches you.

    And let's say you do build a bankroll big enough to play at a higher stake. Do you plan on getting there and then learning how to play? I don't think that will last long. What you're saying is that you can't beat the micros playing straight-up, so you plan on adapting a ridiculous strategy to build a bankroll, so you can go sit with the guys and gals who can/did beat the micros.

    By all means, it's your money and you're free to do what you want. Just let me know your favorite site and username so I can come sit next to you.
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