Resorts World Catskills Final Table Bold Move

uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 123 ✭✭
It's been a long time that I've had a hand history that I am not quite sure about. Yesterday I took a trip to a casino to play in Resorts World Daily $400 bounty event. I've have not played in a casino in a few months and for me, that’s a long time.

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Final table. Top 9 paid. 7 players left from a field of 91. $7100 up top and sit 4th in chips with 300K+.

A player from MP (middle position) opens the pot (4BB). I have no history with this player as I have yet to play with until the FT. Furthermore, we have only been playing for 20-30 minutes together.

After MP opens, the chip leader flats as so does the second chip leader. The shortest stack to my right moves allin for 120K in the small blind. From the BB I make a bold play. I SNAP reshoves all in with AQ.

My thoughts on my play and why. The only player I am really concerned about is the MP opener. He did open the pot from MP and not LP, so he probably not very light here. Not sure if he has a hand or not as I have no history and probably the first open I've seen from him thus far.

However, the chip leader and second chip leader ranges are capped as they just flatted. With the SB shoving it really incentives me to go for it. So I elected to snap reshoved as this look like a hand someone has AK+ range. I didn't tank shove, it was an instant snap. Reckless maybe?

I had no regard to ICM in this spot. I really didn't care about laddering up. Payouts at this point we're not really that big of a payday for me. I had 8 bounties and I was already freerolling the event.

My move will likely get me to a heads-up spot with the short stack and I have a hand that likely ahead of the SB shoving range. Lots of dead money in this pot.

No matter of the outcome I love my play here. So I ask you if this was too ambitious or reckless?


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Let me tell you how it plays out?

Soon as I snapped shove the MP player, who has me covered snaps all in too. MP has no regard to my 350K shove and only has me slightly covered.

FUCK !!! I'm done as I said to myself.

Both chips leaders fold.

MP shows AK and short stack players show AQ too. What a terrible spot, I put myself in.

The runout.

544 X 5

We all chop !!

Comments from a few players thought I was nuts. I truly believe if MP does have exactly what he has he folds and my play looks fabulous.



Your thoughts...

-Tuna

Comments

  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,960 -
    Would you "instant SNAP" QQ+? Most players don't.
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  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 123 ✭✭
    Instant SNAP as the V or the Hero?
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,960 -
    hero
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  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 123 ✭✭
    No that's why I think this play is from a much higher level (Not sure those are the right words). I am putting a lot of pressure on the Villian especially if he concerned about ICM. Pretty much why I am posting this on the forum. Is this suicidal?

    What percentage of the time is the hero's shove getting through here?

    TUNA
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,960 -
    My point is the snap caps your range. If you have AA/KK here you're going to think longer. Or at least most people do.

    Your shove is never getting through since one player is already AI. I don't know what the blinds are so can't comment on whether the dead money warrants the play.
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  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 123 ✭✭
    edited February 2019
    I disagree, I don't think my shove caps my range at all.

    FWIW, I snap shove with AA and KK here all the time. I've always used that move. (weak and strong holdings).
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,960 -
    edited February 2019
    uglytuna wrote: »
    I disagree, I don't think my shove caps my range at all.

    FWIW, I snap shove with AA and KK here all the time. I've always used that move. (weak and strong holdings).

    Okay. I'm old and think slow. I'm all for people playing faster, but to balance my timing I'd rather take 20s on every decision than 0s.
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  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 123 ✭✭
    FWIW,if they made a 15 second shot clock, I would be okay.

    Maybe I should slow down and not give off any timing tells. However I am balance with my timing with all hands.
  • BigFarmBigFarm MontrealRed Chipper Posts: 46 ✭✭
    First off, you DEFINITELY need to say what the blinds are... We don't know if SB is shoving 10 BB or 50 BB...

    Then based off that, assign a range to each opponent, open up flopzilla and estimate your fold equity and hand equity to determine your EV.

    That's level 1. Level 2 would be to think more holistically about your entire range to determine the most optimal overall line.

    Hope that helps!
  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 123 ✭✭
    BigFarm wrote: »
    First off, you DEFINITELY need to say what the blinds are... We don't know if SB is shoving 10 BB or 50 BB...

    Then based off that, assign a range to each opponent, open up flopzilla and estimate your fold equity and hand equity to determine your EV.

    That's level 1. Level 2 would be to think more holistically about your entire range to determine the most optimal overall line.

    Hope that helps!

    Make sense. I did forget to add the blinds. Blinds were 6000/12000 with 1000 ante.
  • BigFarmBigFarm MontrealRed Chipper Posts: 46 ✭✭
    I'm not a tournament player but this does seem like a tough spot. I would not call but reshoving and folding both make sense depending on player profiles.
  • Brews_and_CardsBrews_and_Cards Red Chipper Posts: 101 ✭✭
    SB's going to be shoving 10BB fairly wide here, with the additional 8BB in the pot from the two flats.

    If we've witnessed MP opening too much, I'm OK with the shove.

    But, if MP shoves, too, it's bad news. Because he's doing that with QQ+ and AK, and we're in rough shape against that entire range.

    If MP folds, we potentially win a big pot. We essentially double our stack and would be in great shape for a Top 3 finish. If MP folds, and we lose, we're now down to 15BB or so and in the danger zone.

    I suppose if the ladder doesn't mean anything to you, then this is a decent shot to improve your chances of winning.

    At work, so I can't use any software, but I'm curious what ICM says about the spot.
  • NinjahNinjah Red Chipper Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭✭
    Not a fan. Original raiser is still left to act and someone just jammed for over 1/3 of our stack. I'd value the chips and potential pay jump a lot more than the risk involved in this formation.
  • uglytunauglytuna Red Chipper Posts: 123 ✭✭
    Ninjah wrote: »
    Not a fan. Original raiser is still left to act and someone just jammed for over 1/3 of our stack. I'd value the chips and potential pay jump a lot more than the risk involved in this formation.

    So if you were the MP, this move would effectively work vs you?
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,960 -
    The blind info is very relevant. The fact the short-stack shoved over MP with 0 FE strengthens their range here. You caught them at the bottom of it. As I noted in another thread, an important bit of work here is to look at the relative number of combos in MP's raise-call and raise-fold ranges. I think you'll find you're not getting enough folds from MP to make this play sound.
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