Trip 4s busted

DuecesDueces Red Chipper Posts: 15 ✭✭
edited February 27 in Live Poker Hands
I’d like thoughts and discussion on how this hand was played. 1/2 NL full 10 person table. I’m in the SB with about $550 to start the hand.
I have :4s :4d
Guy in MP1 (about $600), Played a few hands heads up and he has a decent range when leading out, open raises for $10. MP2 calls. I call. BB (about $200) calls. UTG calls.
Flop :2c :Ks :Qd
Checks all the way through
Turn :4c
I lead out for $25
BB calls. UTG folds.
MP1 raises to $100. Folds to me.
I think about it for a few minutes. I wanted to re-raise to $250-275 but figured it wouldn’t leave me with much on the river so I moved all in.
BB folds
MP1 thinks about it for about 5 seconds and calls turning over :Kc :Qc
River :Qh
He tells me he had the clubs blocked. So he had me on a flush draw I’m assuming. I put him on K Q and never a set.
Thoughts on how I played this. Different approach I could of made? I never see him folding. If the flop was bet, that’s the only way I would of been out of the hand.

Comments

  • MichaelBMichaelB Red Chipper Posts: 155 ✭✭
    The way you word it, it sounds like you want him to fold. You put him on a hand, you were right, you got it in good, not much else to say.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27
    Dueces wrote: »
    Turn :4c
    I lead out for $25
    BB calls. UTG folds.
    MP1 raises to $100. Folds to me.
    I think about it for a few minutes. I wanted to re-raise to $250-275 but figured it wouldn’t leave me with much on the river so I moved all in.

    What do you think MP1 has, to open pre, check a favorable flop and raise turn ?

    What other hands do you 3bet shove here ?


    ps/edit: this is no "trips 4", this is a "set" of 4. Trips = you hold A4 board is 844 ; set = you hold 44, board is KQ4.
  • DuecesDueces Red Chipper Posts: 15 ✭✭
    I put MP1 on K Q here as I stated. I just didn’t think he was holding a set in this particular hand. All previous hands I had seen up to this point, he raised more pre flop with a pocket pair.

    I would 3 bet shove any pocket pair here.

    And yes you are correct. Should have titled this “set of 4s busted”
  • CactusCardsCactusCards ArizonaRed Chipper Posts: 90 ✭✭
    You got it in good, only 6 combos of higher sets that could beat you, but realistically QQ, and KK would be opening more than $10 here UTG (at least in my home casino)

    Can't really be upset at getting all the money in ahead, awful river, but that's poker.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭✭
    Dueces wrote: »
    I put MP1 on K Q here as I stated.
    Why KQ ? Wouldn't he flop c-bet KQ ?
    Why not KT ?
    Dueces wrote: »
    I would 3 bet shove any pocket pair here.
    You mean also 22 or 66 ? Or pocket pairs who makes a set ?

    Dueces wrote: »
    I would 3 bet shove...
    And what hands do you bluff here with ?
  • DuecesDueces Red Chipper Posts: 15 ✭✭
    edited February 27
    Red wrote: »
    Dueces wrote: »
    I put MP1 on K Q here as I stated.
    Why KQ ? Wouldn't he flop c-bet KQ ?
    Why not KT ?
    Dueces wrote: »
    I would 3 bet shove any pocket pair here.
    You mean also 22 or 66 ? Or pocket pairs who makes a set ?
    Dueces wrote: »
    I would 3 bet shove...
    And what hands do you bluff here with ?

    Given the amount of people in the hand, I assume he was trying to trap. Not much of a connected board and being 2nd to act, I think his check was a play to induce action on the flop. If he bet, he would only of gotten called by BB. So I think he was trying to maximize his value.

    I would only shove a pocket pair that makes a set here.

    Only bluff or rather semi bluff I would shove in this case would be :Ac :Jc
  • Joseph FJoseph F Red Chipper Posts: 728 ✭✭✭
    Standard cooler.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 28
    Dueces wrote: »
    I would only shove a pocket pair that makes a set here.

    Only bluff or rather semi bluff I would shove in this case would be :Ac :Jc
    You'd have a balance issue then
  • SullySully Red Chipper Posts: 744 ✭✭✭
    I think the interesting question is the turn reraise sizing. It's possible to raise to the $250-275 range and have an approximate 1/2 PSB for river which is the lowest I would want to have left, if I chose this route

    Nobody is ever folding this hand to any amount money so talking about it doesn't seem that productive to me.

    Thinking about what OTHER hands villain might have and how you want them to react is the question.

    What do you want hands like :Ah :Ks , :Kd :Qd , :As :Qh, :Ac :Jc, :Ac :Kc, :Ac :Qc to do?

    What size will accomplish that??

    So my question to the community would be " Do you think these hands will call a shove or should I have sized down?

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