Pre-flop and facing action with QQ

magicpigmagicpig Red Chipper Posts: 94 ✭✭
5-10 NLH, casino hand featuring QQ, effective stacks 150 bb.

Unknown visiting pro limps 5 off the button. Weak fish raises 30 one off of the button and had defended his last 30 dollar raise when re-raised to 150 with 94s but split the pot and frequently calls large re-raises. Hero re-raises exploitively to 150 from the button and the limper makes it 400 and the original raiser folds.

What should hero be thinking and doing?

What if effective stacks were 100 bb instead of 150 bb?


  • MichaelBMichaelB Red Chipper Posts: 211 ✭✭✭
    edited February 28
    Sick spot. Sorry, I have very little of anything constructive to offer. Is it possible he's exploiting your exploitive 3bet by surmising you don't have aces or kings? Sure, I guess. Is it just as likely he's got aces or kings himself, sure, why not? Is this a play people make with AK? I don't see why not.

    I guess the crux of it is, I've never seen anyone do this with Jacks, which, if you folded, would be the worst of all, second only to a random spaz out.

    Granted, I don't play that high, so in the games I play, it's always pretty safe to assume that people aren't capable of coming over the top of a huge 3bet from a limp with anything less than the goods. But you say he's a pro. Is this the new 4bet bluff spot?

    I'm very interested in what the GTO solver types have to say about a spot like this? When there's just seemingly no right or wrong answer, where you either have to punt it or potentially let someone steam roller you.

  • Phil EbbsPhil Ebbs Red Chipper Posts: 251 ✭✭✭
    edited February 28
    I'm curious where this "pro" plays if he has a limp-reraise range.
    When you say "5 off the button", I'm assuming you mean essentially UTG or UTG+1.
    100bb I would probably get this in 50% of the time, flat the other 50%. 150bb deep, I like flatting my entire continuing range here (99-AA, AK, AQs), which is a bit of an exploit against weak players. I'd have to check, but my guess is that GTO would get it in here something like 50% with QQ,100% with KK and some AK, and flat AA 100% along with your non-shoving combos of AK.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭✭
    magicpig wrote: »
    Unknown visiting pro
    How do you know he is pro if he is unknown ?
  • magicpigmagicpig Red Chipper Posts: 94 ✭✭
    Red wrote: »
    magicpig wrote: »
    Unknown visiting pro
    How do you know he is pro if he is unknown ?

    He was pointed out to me as a Las Angeles pro by someone who was leaving as I was sitting down.

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