Any additional conditions?

AkashicAkashic Red Chipper Posts: 61 ✭✭
edited March 1 in General Concepts
So, recently I have gained interest in Poker again after a break for about a year. I played live $1/$2 prior to the break and have somewhat kept up on my studying. I am currently a student and am starting to build a bankroll once again to play. I understand that I should first have a bankroll so that I can play without any mental stress on my game and yada yada, but the bankroll isn't going to happen. I am planning on taking shots at the low-skill entry level of $1/$2 to see if I can get going again. If it works, great. If not, oh well.

Anyways, I have decided to set some conditions for myself that I will strictly adhere as a way to mitigate the effects of tilt should they arise. I was wondering if you guys had any input/suggestions on my list of conditions. I plan on leaving the casino if I break any of these conditions. I trust myself enough to get up and leave. I understand that you guys have no reference towards my skill level, but I can say that I am confident in myself (not overly so).

1 - Take a break every hour for 10-minutes. If I experience tilt, go take a break immediately.
2 - Stick to my gameplan (range / plan for taking down pots)
3 - Start to lose aggression? Take a break.
4 - Enjoy being back

A breakdown on these conditions: Note that if I violate any of these, I go home.
1 - I dont get overly emotional or go into a blind rage when I tilt. While I can get angry, it isnt enough to make me lose total control. The breaks are just a way for me to refocus my mind, evaluate my performance so far, and cool off (if needed) instead of trying to make things happen at the table while I am recovering.

2 - Honestly, I suspect that sticking to my range is going to be the most difficult for me. I may get bored and be tempted to play outside of it, but without a solid reason, I plan on sticking to a predefined plan. That doesn't mean I wont adjust post-flop but, that for now, I will refrain from widening my range. Its will be my first time back in a while, so no need to go crazy for now (aside from my long-ball focus for tonight).

3 - If at any point I start to play passively (without an profitable reason) or doubt myself, I will walk away. The moment I become timid is when I will likely start to bleed out or miss profitable opportunities.


  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 1,757 -
    That all looks solid. The only potential issue I see is that tilt is precisely the sort of thing that leads us to deviate from good plans.
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  • Jordan PowerJordan Power Red Chipper Posts: 337 ✭✭✭
    I recently had a struggle with this without even knowing it. While I wouldn't call it tilt, I was actively preventing myself from playing my best poker.

    I was ignoring my in-session checklist because "pffff I feel good." Through some good in-depth conversation post-session with a good group of friends, I realized I wasn't adhering to my routine.

    What helps me now is that whenever I run through my in-session check list to see how I am feeling, I go somewhere and say it out loud. I may sound crazy to others if they overhear, but its harder to lie to yourself out loud.
  • RoblivionRoblivion WisconsinRed Chipper Posts: 265 ✭✭✭
    I would add

    1. Don't stay longer than you originally planned. Maybe define exceptional criteria before you go (if the fish are reeeeally biting, allow an extra hour or something).
    2. Don't put more buy-ins in play than you originally planned.
  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,684 -
    How much are you willing to throw at this now? What BI you planning to use?
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  • DuecesDueces Red Chipper Posts: 15 ✭✭
    Your list looks like a good start. Tilt is probably the toughest to control for some. Having a good mental game/approach is where it starts. If you haven't already, a good read is The Mental Game of Poker by Jared Tendler. I just finished it and the concepts he goes through really make you think and relate to. So far it has helped my game I think.
    Range is another hard point to keep in check since there are times when you're card dead for a long time. Knowing when and where to squeeze in a few questionable hands to break up that span can work into your favor though and catch people off guard if you win a pot.
    Overall I think you have a good starting point for getting back into the game. Good luck out there!
  • AkashicAkashic Red Chipper Posts: 61 ✭✭
    edited March 12
    Thanks for the input! So I've been slacking on an update, so let's get down to it.

    So that night I was planning on playing at the casino, I had just finished two mid-term assignments before my break from school was about to begin. I finished around 5:30 pm and after a 15 minute walk to my car (because who the hell is going to pay those crazy parking fees at a university?), I started to analyze how I was feeling overall at the moment. I noticed that I was feeling rather tired, so after an internal debate, I decided not to go. If I had gone, I would have likely played at a 'D' level and would have likely have lost my shot-money.

    I gotta say, walking away after looking forward to it all day was tough. So,
    instead I decided to save that shot-money and grow it a little more for future shots.
    Doug Hull wrote: »
    How much are you willing to throw at this now? What BI you planning to use?
    You know, these two questions really spoke to me and got me to realize how lackluster of a game plan I actually had (not just saying that because you are "Doug Hull" or anything). So at the time, I was going to take a shot with $500 total. I would have likely have broken it up into (2) $250 chucks. Looking back, I'm glad I didn't go. The casino I go to has recently upped their cap at $1/$2 to $300. Either way, 95% of the player pool ranges from $50-$200

    Originally, I didn't put any thought into the BI amount I was going to use because I was in the mindset of having a 40-BI bankroll ($200). Wouldn't that change though, since we are talking a shot here? Totally uncharted territory for me here that I have yet to think about. Instead of running a full stack at first, what would happen if I were to drop that to $100 instead? What about $50?

    One of the adjustments for dropping to $100 would be dropping the suited-connector hands and focusing on big-card strength. As far as bet-sizing goes, I was planning on using 5x-6x open raise + dead money to force people to play faster in order to induce some mistakes by reducing SPR. However, that potentially could impact the overall profit potential because of the whole "you only have $100 on the table". I can see arguments for reducing/increasing the risk based on the BI.
    Roblivion wrote: »
    I would add...
    2. Don't put more buy-ins in play than you originally planned.
    I was talking a shot with $500, but since then I have upped that to 1.2k. I am good about sticking to the amount I have decided on the night, which is why I didn't add it, but it is a good point to throw into the list for sure. I've seen plenty of people endlessly run to the ATM.

  • jfarrow13jfarrow13 Red Chipper Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12
    I think 2k is plenty a bankroll for the live $1/2 recreational part-time winning player, baring unbelievable run bad.

    Also, a form a tilt that I didn't recognize was "I'm about to make a move" or "I'm about to make my own magic", if that mental stream ever runs through your mind, ask first "Is this because I haven't had any good cards ina while?" If so, slow your roll chief, it's a bad idea.
  • RoblivionRoblivion WisconsinRed Chipper Posts: 265 ✭✭✭
    jfarrow13 wrote: »
    Also, a form a tilt that I didn't recognize was "I'm about to make a move" or "I'm about to make my own magic", if that mental stream ever runs through your mind, ask first "Is this because I haven't had any good cards ina while?" If so, slow your roll chief, it's a bad idea.

    Gotta be the biggest leak in my game (though diminishing by the day.) Let it come to you, and never force it.

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