Any additional conditions?

AkashicAkashic Red Chipper Posts: 66 ✭✭
edited March 1 in General Concepts
So, recently I have gained interest in Poker again after a break for about a year. I played live $1/$2 prior to the break and have somewhat kept up on my studying. I am currently a student and am starting to build a bankroll once again to play. I understand that I should first have a bankroll so that I can play without any mental stress on my game and yada yada, but the bankroll isn't going to happen. I am planning on taking shots at the low-skill entry level of $1/$2 to see if I can get going again. If it works, great. If not, oh well.

Anyways, I have decided to set some conditions for myself that I will strictly adhere as a way to mitigate the effects of tilt should they arise. I was wondering if you guys had any input/suggestions on my list of conditions. I plan on leaving the casino if I break any of these conditions. I trust myself enough to get up and leave. I understand that you guys have no reference towards my skill level, but I can say that I am confident in myself (not overly so).

1 - Take a break every hour for 10-minutes. If I experience tilt, go take a break immediately.
2 - Stick to my gameplan (range / plan for taking down pots)
3 - Start to lose aggression? Take a break.
4 - Enjoy being back

A breakdown on these conditions: Note that if I violate any of these, I go home.
1 - I dont get overly emotional or go into a blind rage when I tilt. While I can get angry, it isnt enough to make me lose total control. The breaks are just a way for me to refocus my mind, evaluate my performance so far, and cool off (if needed) instead of trying to make things happen at the table while I am recovering.

2 - Honestly, I suspect that sticking to my range is going to be the most difficult for me. I may get bored and be tempted to play outside of it, but without a solid reason, I plan on sticking to a predefined plan. That doesn't mean I wont adjust post-flop but, that for now, I will refrain from widening my range. Its will be my first time back in a while, so no need to go crazy for now (aside from my long-ball focus for tonight).

3 - If at any point I start to play passively (without an profitable reason) or doubt myself, I will walk away. The moment I become timid is when I will likely start to bleed out or miss profitable opportunities.


  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,021 -
    That all looks solid. The only potential issue I see is that tilt is precisely the sort of thing that leads us to deviate from good plans.
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  • Jordan PowerJordan Power Red Chipper Posts: 409 ✭✭✭
    I recently had a struggle with this without even knowing it. While I wouldn't call it tilt, I was actively preventing myself from playing my best poker.

    I was ignoring my in-session checklist because "pffff I feel good." Through some good in-depth conversation post-session with a good group of friends, I realized I wasn't adhering to my routine.

    What helps me now is that whenever I run through my in-session check list to see how I am feeling, I go somewhere and say it out loud. I may sound crazy to others if they overhear, but its harder to lie to yourself out loud.
  • RoblivionRoblivion WisconsinRed Chipper Posts: 283 ✭✭✭
    I would add

    1. Don't stay longer than you originally planned. Maybe define exceptional criteria before you go (if the fish are reeeeally biting, allow an extra hour or something).
    2. Don't put more buy-ins in play than you originally planned.
  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,750 -
    How much are you willing to throw at this now? What BI you planning to use?
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  • DuecesDueces Red Chipper Posts: 15 ✭✭
    Your list looks like a good start. Tilt is probably the toughest to control for some. Having a good mental game/approach is where it starts. If you haven't already, a good read is The Mental Game of Poker by Jared Tendler. I just finished it and the concepts he goes through really make you think and relate to. So far it has helped my game I think.
    Range is another hard point to keep in check since there are times when you're card dead for a long time. Knowing when and where to squeeze in a few questionable hands to break up that span can work into your favor though and catch people off guard if you win a pot.
    Overall I think you have a good starting point for getting back into the game. Good luck out there!
  • AkashicAkashic Red Chipper Posts: 66 ✭✭
    edited March 12
    Thanks for the input! So I've been slacking on an update, so let's get down to it.

    So that night I was planning on playing at the casino, I had just finished two mid-term assignments before my break from school was about to begin. I finished around 5:30 pm and after a 15 minute walk to my car (because who the hell is going to pay those crazy parking fees at a university?), I started to analyze how I was feeling overall at the moment. I noticed that I was feeling rather tired, so after an internal debate, I decided not to go. If I had gone, I would have likely played at a 'D' level and would have likely have lost my shot-money.

    I gotta say, walking away after looking forward to it all day was tough. So,
    instead I decided to save that shot-money and grow it a little more for future shots.
    Doug Hull wrote: »
    How much are you willing to throw at this now? What BI you planning to use?
    You know, these two questions really spoke to me and got me to realize how lackluster of a game plan I actually had (not just saying that because you are "Doug Hull" or anything). So at the time, I was going to take a shot with $500 total. I would have likely have broken it up into (2) $250 chucks. Looking back, I'm glad I didn't go. The casino I go to has recently upped their cap at $1/$2 to $300. Either way, 95% of the player pool ranges from $50-$200

    Originally, I didn't put any thought into the BI amount I was going to use because I was in the mindset of having a 40-BI bankroll ($200). Wouldn't that change though, since we are talking a shot here? Totally uncharted territory for me here that I have yet to think about. Instead of running a full stack at first, what would happen if I were to drop that to $100 instead? What about $50?

    One of the adjustments for dropping to $100 would be dropping the suited-connector hands and focusing on big-card strength. As far as bet-sizing goes, I was planning on using 5x-6x open raise + dead money to force people to play faster in order to induce some mistakes by reducing SPR. However, that potentially could impact the overall profit potential because of the whole "you only have $100 on the table". I can see arguments for reducing/increasing the risk based on the BI.
    Roblivion wrote: »
    I would add...
    2. Don't put more buy-ins in play than you originally planned.
    I was talking a shot with $500, but since then I have upped that to 1.2k. I am good about sticking to the amount I have decided on the night, which is why I didn't add it, but it is a good point to throw into the list for sure. I've seen plenty of people endlessly run to the ATM.

  • jfarrow13jfarrow13 Red Chipper Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12
    I think 2k is plenty a bankroll for the live $1/2 recreational part-time winning player, baring unbelievable run bad.

    Also, a form a tilt that I didn't recognize was "I'm about to make a move" or "I'm about to make my own magic", if that mental stream ever runs through your mind, ask first "Is this because I haven't had any good cards ina while?" If so, slow your roll chief, it's a bad idea.
  • RoblivionRoblivion WisconsinRed Chipper Posts: 283 ✭✭✭
    jfarrow13 wrote: »
    Also, a form a tilt that I didn't recognize was "I'm about to make a move" or "I'm about to make my own magic", if that mental stream ever runs through your mind, ask first "Is this because I haven't had any good cards ina while?" If so, slow your roll chief, it's a bad idea.

    Gotta be the biggest leak in my game (though diminishing by the day.) Let it come to you, and never force it.
  • AkashicAkashic Red Chipper Posts: 66 ✭✭
    edited March 24
    I wanted to give an update on my progress for these past two weeks regarding my journey building my bankroll thus far.

    As of right now, I have played a little under 12 hours total. Out of the original $1,200 that I had in an account, I've only withdrew $600 of it and that is what I have been using to play weekends (due to school life). I am currently up to $1,771 total (not including the other half in my account), with a net gain of $1,171. I haven't been able to play as much as I wanted to because I got rather sick this week (still recovering).

    First session: March 15
    I decided to buy-in for 100bb at a time because I felt my skill level was above the table I was at, so I went for max profit. I had to reload after an hour. I had an interesting mix of people at $1/2 and after about 5 hours of not getting hands that were within my range for the seat I was in, two lag players that were waiting for $2/5 seats decided to join my game. I recognized them from when I played in the past but had no history. Over the course of the next two hours, I started to get hands that were within range and I focused on these two lags for my
    chip recovery. It surprised me how much I saw through their patterns and I was about to formulate a strategy and implement it at the table to take advantage of their errors. They had been running the table for a few orbits until I put a stop to them by giving them false information and giving them chances to bluff their chips off. It was really enjoyable to call down with 3rd best pair hands after being run though their barrels on scary board run outs. They didn't seem to be enjoying it and left, but not before one of them said, "I have to leave. I am starting to play scared." when I threw out a blocking bet of $20 into a $150 pot with the idea that if raised, I was going to snap-call because if he raised, it would have very likely been a bluff. He ended up just calling and won.
    I cashed out for $682, net gain of $282 after 7 hours. It was amazing to feel like I understood each player's strategy at the table and knew what adjustments to make. I was the only one re-raising light and I kept to my game plan. My studying while on my very long break was not wasted. Hell, I even had somebody come up to me while I was leaving the card room and asked me to give him some pointers. He said it looked like I had a plan for anything that was thrown at me that night and he was amazed. This guy boosted my confidence when he told me this. We exchanged numbers.

    Second session: March 16
    I swapped to a 50bb starting stack because the table just opened I showed up to the room and wanted to get a feel for the other people. Another two $2/5 usual players were at my table and it was obvious they were better and more confident than the other players at the table. They were aggressive at the start and started to butt heads against each other. They ended up causing the other people at the table to hide in their shells very early on. Once I saw this, I got more chips to put me back to 100bb so I can play with them. I played back once I had hands that were in my range and had no need to bluff as I was catching favorable turn cards against these two. I ended up causing one of them to leave and the other shut down his aggression soon after.
    The table grew very tight and I decided to leave after 2 hours when the table was short handed. I cashed out for $900, net gain of $700. Again I felt in control of things. I made moves at the right time and even had a little luck that night. Aside from the winnings, I felt like I knew exactly what the other players were doing and how to take advantage of them.

    Third session: March 23
    I started with a 100bb stack size here because 4 of the other 8 players had 200bb+ stacks, so I wanted to have enough chips to play with them. This one happened today and again I felt in control and very relaxed. I decided to change my strategy because I had a history of with a few of the players here and was known as a bit bluff-happy. So I decided to bluff less and go for value more when I was in pots against them. I continued running bluffs when they were not in hands to great effect. Tonight, everything was clicking and I was really in-sync with my reads at the table. Bet-sizing tells, physical tells, ranges, board texture and opening frequencies were feeding me tons of information and I didn't miss any of it. Again, it felt amazing to feel like I was reading their thoughts and strategies while staying a step ahead. I even ran a pretty bold river bluff, but I knew that it would work the moment the idea came to my head.
    After 2.5 hours, I left because I couldn't stop coughing thanks to current phase in my recovery of my sickness. I cashed out for $389, net gain of $189.

    I fully understand that these numbers do not reflect anything as proof, but it felt amazing to dissect the strategies of other players and adjust correctly in real time. That is actually huge! I owe that to the resources I took advantage of here and the effort I put into my game off the table. I plan to continue going and keep level headed.

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