C- Betting Turn in a 3 bet pot

MrNiceMrNice Red Chipper Posts: 104 ✭✭
https://upswingpoker.com/hand/?pokeit=4s2vaRP

Please watch the hand in the replayer with the link above.

PREFLOP
Deciding to 3 bet with 69s was a bad choice since it was unlikely he folds. He needs to fold 65% or more to be a profitable move from me.

3 bet calling range of villain: 44 - JJ, A9o+, KJo+, A2s+, 76s+, T8s+

FLOP

I decided to c-bet. Im betting here almost my entire range that I came to the flop with. He needs to fold 25% or more, what he likely does.

TURN

The card is likely better for him. I decided to check fold since only a 6 improves my hand and a 8 gets checked back by him on the river. Should I have barreled the turn?

Comments

  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,021 -
    I think what this primarily illustrates is that if you 3-bet this wide your range will be so weak that your postflop frequencies are going to be impossible to handle.
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  • MrNiceMrNice Red Chipper Posts: 104 ✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    I think what this primarily illustrates is that if you 3-bet this wide your range will be so weak that your postflop frequencies are going to be impossible to handle.

    Yes it was a mistake. What range would you advise to 3 bet from the bb vs cu (An unknown player)?
  • CactusCardsCactusCards ArizonaRed Chipper Posts: 109 ✭✭
    MrNice wrote: »
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    I think what this primarily illustrates is that if you 3-bet this wide your range will be so weak that your postflop frequencies are going to be impossible to handle.

    Yes it was a mistake. What range would you advise to 3 bet from the bb vs cu (An unknown player)?

    Upswing has charts for opens, so does red chip, and I believe they both include 3B hands. 69s is certainly not on there.

    If you’re going to 3B bluff, or try to balance your 3B range I’d take a look at some more logical hands to do it with in a situation like this.
  • MrNiceMrNice Red Chipper Posts: 104 ✭✭
    MrNice wrote: »
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    I think what this primarily illustrates is that if you 3-bet this wide your range will be so weak that your postflop frequencies are going to be impossible to handle.

    Yes it was a mistake. What range would you advise to 3 bet from the bb vs cu (An unknown player)?

    Upswing has charts for opens, so does red chip, and I believe they both include 3B hands. 69s is certainly not on there.

    If you’re going to 3B bluff, or try to balance your 3B range I’d take a look at some more logical hands to do it with in a situation like this.

    You mean suited aces? I use poker snowie preflop advisor as my guideline. Where are the preflop ranges from redchippoker? Bought CORE once, but didnt found any more charts than RFI.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,021 -
    The 3-bet ranges are included in this infographic. I've found about 20% of players find this presentation really difficult to absorb, in which case I'd recommend just looking at the algebraic version given in The Course. That's where they come from.

    https://redchippoker.com/infographic-pre-flop-ranges/
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  • MrNiceMrNice Red Chipper Posts: 104 ✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    The 3-bet ranges are included in this infographic. I've found about 20% of players find this presentation really difficult to absorb, in which case I'd recommend just looking at the algebraic version given in The Course. That's where they come from.

    https://redchippoker.com/infographic-pre-flop-ranges/

    Early vs blinds is the calling range of the bb vs LJ and HJ? What about the sb? :-)
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,021 -
    MrNice wrote: »
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    The 3-bet ranges are included in this infographic. I've found about 20% of players find this presentation really difficult to absorb, in which case I'd recommend just looking at the algebraic version given in The Course. That's where they come from.

    https://redchippoker.com/infographic-pre-flop-ranges/

    Early vs blinds is the calling range of the bb vs LJ and HJ? What about the sb? :-)

    3-bet from SB is given in the third panel.
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  • MrNiceMrNice Red Chipper Posts: 104 ✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    MrNice wrote: »
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    The 3-bet ranges are included in this infographic. I've found about 20% of players find this presentation really difficult to absorb, in which case I'd recommend just looking at the algebraic version given in The Course. That's where they come from.

    https://redchippoker.com/infographic-pre-flop-ranges/

    Early vs blinds is the calling range of the bb vs LJ and HJ? What about the sb? :-)

    3-bet from SB is given in the third panel.

    So SB and BB have the same range vs LJ and HJ?
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,021 -
    In the infographic the SB and BB have the same ranges against all raises. The only question is whether you regard the raises as steal raises or not. From LJ/HJ the usual assumption is they're not classed as steals.
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