Online Real Money vs Play Money

AzygousWolfAzygousWolf Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
So a bit of background. I have been playing poker (solely No limit Hold'em) socially on and off for a number of years without any real guidance or consistency, I've also returned to studying full time and don't have the means (or, lets be honest, knowledge) to build a bankroll, or access to regular cash games that would fall into the $20-$30 buy in range that would be the upper limit of what I could afford right now anyway. There are some regular $5 buy MTT's with an average pool of 40 to 60 players that pay 1st and 2nd, being held by some local bars that I am looking to get involved in to get some regular live game exposure.

Now to the crux of my concern. I have previously played (pre-2017) micro tables 1c/2c no limit on Pokerstars, again mainly for fun, but being in Australia and our recent years of legislation change/enforcement, online poker is just not an option from a real money side as any legit and regulated sites have withdrawn support from Australia. I am in a position where I need to go back to basics and develop my game, so my question is this. Am I going to gain any benefit or actual experience from playing in play money games and tourneys, or am I wasting my time and learning bad habits and information?

And what advice would people give to me as someone who is actively wanting to learn but is dealing with the mentioned restrictions.

Side note, I live in a mid sized city with a casino that offers a bare bones option of poker games that I have played at a couple times, but is often filled with regulars just taking each others money.

most regular games hosted (most nights of the week).

2/2 No Limit Hold'em $50-$300
1/2 Pot limit Omaha $100-$300
2/5 No Limit Hold'em $200-$500

Then first Saturday every month

5/10 No Limit Hold'em $400-$2000

Cheers for any advice in advance.

Comments

  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    Tough spot, plus I believe the rake is pretty steep in many Aussie poker rooms.

    Concerning play money games, I think they can have some value, at least if you build enough of a play chips bankroll. Anything that takes time and effort to accrue has value to the people chasing it. But it's not an ideal solution obviously.

    One way of bridging the gap might be to find (or start?) a home game. If you're playing for smallish money, concerns about it being legit are reduced.
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  • MichaelBMichaelB Red Chipper Posts: 211 ✭✭✭
    To my knowledge we can still get onto Ignition, although I can't speak to the legality of that. Does the NPL and APL still run? I used to love playing those tournaments? Is that what you're referring to?

    Unfortunately I don't think you'll find a home game with stakes that low outside of private games with a bunch of mates. I've heard that there are some regular $1/2 games in Melbourne that are advertised on Facebook, but I've never checked them out. But nothing under that.

    The problem I find with play money sites is it's going to be hard to motivate yourself to get better if you don't care too much about loosing your entire roll.
  • AzygousWolfAzygousWolf Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    Concerning play money games, I think they can have some value, at least if you build enough of a play chips bankroll. Anything that takes time and effort to accrue has value to the people chasing it. But it's not an ideal solution obviously..

    So I have roughly half a mil in play money on Pokerstars from previous play, my memories are of people being very "throw chips at the pot" attitude, which at the time I found to be frustrating in not being able to get a "normal" game, upon reflection I do realise that it's an opportunity not a curse in being able to look at how that would emulate loose aggressiveness in actual cash games and how I can adapt to that play style, but like I mentioned I'm concerned if my perspective is skewed by the lack of financial impact.
    MichaelB wrote: »
    To my knowledge we can still get onto Ignition, although I can't speak to the legality of that. Does the NPL and APL still run? I used to love playing those tournaments? Is that what you're referring to?

    I have looked into Ignition and as far as I can see they answer to no regulating body and have had a bunch of concerning events occur in recent years which makes me very cautious. APL is who's running the events, they are weekly and fairly consistent.
    MichaelB wrote: »
    Unfortunately I don't think you'll find a home game with stakes that low outside of private games with a bunch of mates. I've heard that there are some regular $1/2 games in Melbourne that are advertised on Facebook, but I've never checked them out. But nothing under that.

    The problem I find with play money sites is it's going to be hard to motivate yourself to get better if you don't care too much about loosing your entire roll.

    I'm based in Adelaide, so it's even more sparse here, which makes it tricky. and most of my mates have no interest in poker (I know, why am I even mates with them!?)

  • MichaelBMichaelB Red Chipper Posts: 211 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, I'm steering clear of Ignition as well, both because I'm just over online poker at this point but also because the trust just isn't there.

    I hear you about non-poker mates too. All of mine at some point were into it and we used to play regular games for $10 but the thing is people eventually get over losing money week after week, even if it's for small amounts. I really miss those days.
  • AzygousWolfAzygousWolf Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
    So after some digging around, I have found that even those sites that do still service Australians have really difficult cash out processes. it's either a conversion to Bitcoin (No thanks) or things called Astropay??? which don't convert to the AUS anyway, so that's an extra step (again, no thanks).

    And it's really annoying because they all seem more than happy to accept any major credit or debit card deposits...
  • Johnny_HunterJohnny_Hunter Red Chipper Posts: 1
    Related, but different question - what online options are available and recommended/trusted for a US player who doesn't live in NJ or NV?
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,388 -
    Related, but different question - what online options are available and recommended/trusted for a US player who doesn't live in NJ or NV?

    The forum favorite seems to be Global.
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  • HeyMcFlyHeyMcFly Red Chipper Posts: 5 ✭✭
    Anybody in Australia ever play on Global or is that provider not accessible?
  • KottonCandyKottonCandy Hudson Valley, NYRed Chipper Posts: 870 ✭✭✭
    edited March 26
    Global, WPN, BetOnline, Horizon, and Ignition. Those are the heavily trafficked, main options for a US player and most players put time on all of them at this point. My faith in these sites is significantly higher than it was 6 months+ ago.
  • The MuleThe Mule Red Chipper Posts: 786 ✭✭✭
    HeyMcFly wrote: »
    Anybody in Australia ever play on Global or is that
    provider not accessible?

    @HeyMcFly , I believe Global is blocked in Australia. Also, they would not let you set up a Real Money account using an Australian mailing address.
  • bradamsbradams Red Chipper Posts: 7 ✭✭
    Hi @AzygousWolf. What did you end up deciding to do? And how are you going with it?

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