Queens in SB facing 3bet

RyanH1995RyanH1995 Red Chipper Posts: 81 ✭✭
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

UTG: 654.5 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 9.26, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 55)
UTG+1: 250.3 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 110.2 BB (VPIP: 15.73, PFR: 10.11, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 91)
MP+1: 127.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 27 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BTN: 224 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
Hero (SB): 100.5 BB
BB: 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qc Qd
fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 12 BB, Hero calls 11.5 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 9 BB

Flop : (37 BB, 3 players) 7c Th 5s
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, BTN bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB, fold

Turn : (97 BB, 2 players) Jd
Hero checks, BTN bets 60 BB, Hero calls 58.5 BB and is all-in

River : (214 BB, 2 players) 8c

Preflop:
Im dealt Queens and am pretty surprised to see the button 3bet UTG+1. I am never folding here but my lack of history with these players puts me in a tough spot. With no reads I assume the button has a snug 3betting range here vs EP and I give him a range of JJ+ and AKo and AKs. I really did not have a plan for getting 3bet in this spot so I decided to flat as I thought I was up against a very strong range and also thought I would be put in a tough spot if jammed on. My hand has 47% equity vs the buttons 3bet range and I when UTG+1 calls I put him on a range of something like 88-JJ and AQo-AKo and AQs-AKs.

Flop:
On the flop when button bets very big his hand feels like AA or KK to me. I think a lot of less experienced players at the micros bet huge in 3bet pots with the top of their range even on very dry boards. I think the only option here is to call.

Turn:
When villain puts me all in on what is a blank turn in real time I thought he had AA or KK for sure. Based on his flop sizing I guess he could be betting very large with a hand like AK looking for a fold some of the time. Although I think Im behind here I make the call as I think it is too nitty to fold here. QQ is the very top of my 3bet flatting range and if Im folding on a runout like this I think I can be exploited way too easily. I think this is a spot I just need to call and expect to get shown AA and KK a decent amount of the time.

After analyzing the hand I think a 4bet is a more +EV line than flatting from the small blind. That way I have the betting initiative when OOP and could possibly take the hand down pre flop. Im still not sure how I would react to getting jammed on as players at these stakes almost never seem to jam pre flop for 100BBs without AA or KK. It seems very exploitable to 4bet with near the top of my range and fold to a jam unless they are a super nit but I really had no idea as this was only my second hand at the table.

Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!




Comments

  • YoshYosh Red Chipper Posts: 580 ✭✭✭
    No one is going to exploit your folds in one-off formations in an 8-handed game. There are so many other more worthy things to ponder than non-auto profit. Notice though, that you called to avoid a tough spot if jammed on pre, only to carry on and face several tough spots post. The truth is that hands that straddle the relative top and middle will always be tough to play, in a sense. That is the nature of the beast.
  • AceFromSpaceKKAceFromSpaceKK Red Chipper Posts: 303 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2019
    @adamzerner great analysis!
    RyanH1995 wrote: »

    Preflop:
    Im dealt Queens and am pretty surprised to see the button 3bet UTG+1. I am never folding here but my lack of history with these players puts me in a tough spot.

    when UTG+1 calls I put him on a range of something like 88-JJ and AQo-AKo and AQs-AKs.


    After analyzing the hand I think a 4bet is a more +EV line than flatting from the small blind.


    By just calling you make it very easy for your opponents to put you on a hand (if they have some experience). By 4betting you put HIM into a tough spot! Imagine being that guy sitting there with AK or KK.
    It's kind of surprising to me that he is firing flop and turn when you have the nut and range advantage. I think 4bet/fold is a good option at these limits.
    I guess you could put UTG+1 on any pp he opens, also good looking SCs and broadways.
  • RyanH1995RyanH1995 Red Chipper Posts: 81 ✭✭
    Thank you guys for the analysis. @adamzerner I pointed out that my opponent was not playing balanced with his bet sizing and line that usually contains no bluffs yet I was focused on playing balanced vs him. This was definitely a mistake and I was worried way too much about being exploited. @Yosh I also agree with you in that I attempted to make what I thought was an easier decision pre flop but this mistake compounded into facing tougher decisions post flop. I definitely need to work on having a plan post flop as well as focusing less on trying to play optimally against players who are unbalanced themselves.
  • RyanH1995RyanH1995 Red Chipper Posts: 81 ✭✭
    @Phil Ebbs I guess the fact that he was 3betting the UTG+1 opener and that I had no history with him made me think he had a very tight range. I agree the cold 4bet is much better than the line I took. He also did happen to be 3betting very light this time and the range I assigned him was not even close.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2019
    You aren't going to find the Virgin on this grilled cheese sandwich.

    It's just a regular fourbet for most strategies because, duh, it's queens; an unususal fold vs the purest of nits; and only a call if you are interested in creating complexity and a whole set of options for yourself which are beyond the purvue of this forum.

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