Madrid Live 1/3 Game - AKo v turn check raise against TAG?

Abood_The_DudeAbood_The_Dude Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
edited May 18 in Live Poker Hands
Game: 1/3 500 cap in Madrid, Spain at Gran Via Casino.

Effective stack is 255(hero). Main Villain has me covered.

Table is, as usual, very passive, rarely any 3 bets. Main villain is a TAG Reg who is capable of making some plays. Im fairly new to the room so don’t have much history with this player. I’ve seen him make large bets for value with nutted ranges about 3-4 times before. Also about an hour before this hand, I 3 bet him in a similar situation pre with AQ and folded to his 4 bet.



V1: UTG (300) opens to 10.
V2: UTG+1 (150ish) calls.
Hero: HJ (255) :AD: :KS: in HJ raise to 30.

folds to V1 who calls. V2 Fold.

Flop(74): :KD: :9C: :6H:

V Check. I bet 32. He calls.

Turn(138): :7S: He checks. I bet 50. He raises to 125.

Hero: ?

This is my first hand review/question so apologize if its not that good lol. I just want to know what I should do here?

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  • cherokee_bill_96cherokee_bill_96 Red Chipper Posts: 3 ✭✭
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Consider a few things:

    if you perhaps don't know what your sizings mean, at least consider what they say. How do you respond now?

    What does a TAG do?

    If we understand what a TAG does, what is the purpose of the turn bet?
  • Abood_The_DudeAbood_The_Dude Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited May 18
    @persuadeo Hmm. Now that I think about it I think my bet sizings look pretty weak especially on the turn it’s kind of an underbet. A TAG could pickup on it and exploit which is what I think he was trying to do by check raising.
  • In The DarkIn The Dark Red Chipper Posts: 210 ✭✭
    Your SPR is 3 with a TPTK flop. It goes in. Perhaps there's a different course if V exposes his hand early.

    I'd get it in in two chunks. No turn card will stop me.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    Big concerns to me are :
    a) the preflop 3bet too small
    b) the too big c-bet on a dry and static flop against 2 Villains.
  • Abood_The_DudeAbood_The_Dude Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
    Red wrote: »
    b) the too big c-bet on a dry and static flop against 2 Villains.

    It wasn't against two villains, it was heads up. Should I have cbet bigger in a 3bet pot?
    Red wrote: »

    Also could he do it with KQ (or worst KX) ? Could he do it with OESD? OESD + pair ? Could he spazz out ? There are many worst we can see here. And you only need 20% equity. AK v. 99, 66 and 98s has 26% equity - which is kinda the worst scenario.
    (I consider a labelled "TAG" Villain to be able to bluff / raise draws)

    And stacks on turn are 193 into a 178€ pot in a 3bet pot after a half pot size c-bet. I'm fully for the underbet - but then you also have to realize it may trigger some reaction.

    AK is probably the 3rd nuts you can have here - after KK and AA - so you shall never fold it.

    I agree with all of that! I ended up calling and he had KQo. Another reason why I called is because of his tendency to go to big bets when he has a value hand. I have seen him do it multiple times where he wants to get max value on any street, he bets closer to pot size+.

    Also, I know live tells can be misleading, but when he made the raise, he was staring me down like crazy. When an opponent does that, I usually read it as them trying to intimidate me when they are very weak.

    @Red I am very curious to know what you think of his line. I know that probably calling a 3 bet oop with those stack sizes and taking that line might not be best. But is there any merit to his play? Would it have been good for him to check raise bigger on the turn?... just wondering.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 19
    Red wrote: »
    b) the too big c-bet on a dry and static flop against 2 Villains.

    It wasn't against two villains, it was heads up. Should I have cbet bigger in a 3bet pot?

    Usually, you (can) c-bet smaller in a 3bet pot, because ranges are already (more) polarized (than in a 2-bet pot). Also here flop being dry and rather static, it's more the "do you have KX?", so you don't want to scare any KQ, KJ, KTs away by betting too much and screaming AK/AA.

    Also betting smaller allows you to bet wider, including interesting bluffs like QTs-ish (=double KX blocker + gutshot) you 3-bet bluff with.

    Always ask WHY you're betting, and HOW to reach this aim. Sizing impacts reaction. Sizing impacts ranges.
    Red wrote: »

    Also could he do it with KQ (or worst KX) ? Could he do it with OESD? OESD + pair ? Could he spazz out ? There are many worst we can see here. And you only need 20% equity. AK v. 99, 66 and 98s has 26% equity - which is kinda the worst scenario.
    (I consider a labelled "TAG" Villain to be able to bluff / raise draws)

    And stacks on turn are 193 into a 178€ pot in a 3bet pot after a half pot size c-bet. I'm fully for the underbet - but then you also have to realize it may trigger some reaction.

    AK is probably the 3rd nuts you can have here - after KK and AA - so you shall never fold it.

    @Red I am very curious to know what you think of his line. I know that probably calling a 3 bet oop with those stack sizes and taking that line might not be best. But is there any merit to his play? Would it have been good for him to check raise bigger on the turn?... just wondering.
    Yes, he should c-r bigger.
    Also KQo is not a hand to c-r with. Too weak for c-r for value*, too strong to be turn into a bluff.

    About this hand in particular - out of the blue, I don't have equilab/flopzilla here to dig into your range now - , there is no way for you to fold AK as TPTK is your 3rd nuts behind AA and KK and you shall have worst to fold (like KJo, QQ, QTs, etc.). Only if V is a nit or a passive tight player and will only c-r with 2P+, then we can start to think about folding.


    * when you're leveraging your opponent, if he start to call you lighter expecting you to raise with (too many) bluffs/draws, then adding some merged value (overpairs/TP) brings a neat plus-value into your range. But only if V starts to call light - like here if Hero would call with KTs or QQ.
  • DeadliftsDeadlifts Red Chipper Posts: 120 ✭✭
    3b more towards 50-55 in this spot, 60 OTF; call the turn and eval river.

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