Bad beat tipping etiquette

LoveFishLoveFish IllinoisRed Chipper Posts: 93 ✭✭
Hi friends I hope the poker gods bless me with this situation one day. I have always wondered how much are you “supposed” to tip out when the bad beat goes off? Perhaps some dealers out there have some good recommendations.

Typically at my casino bad beat goes off anywhere from 150k-350k.
50% of the pot goes to the “loser” of the hand
25% to the winner
25% table share

Should we be tipping a %? If so how much? I was thinking 1-5% but tipping out 5,000$ seems crazy to me if say we just won 100k.

Should anyone else tip? Or just the big winner?

Have always heard stories about guys winning and only tippling a few hundred and every calls him cheap. So what is the proper etiquette red chip?

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  • Jordan PowerJordan Power Red Chipper Posts: 457 ✭✭✭
    I've heard 5-10% is appropriate. It seems like a huge tip in absolute dollars but you also would have just won a huge jackpot.
  • In The DarkIn The Dark Red Chipper Posts: 211 ✭✭
    edited June 3
    1% is plenty.

    Do they kick back to you when you get coolered?
  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,779 -
    edited June 3
    I have always thought I would ask them when their shift is over, tell them you will meet them at a local bar at that time. Give a token amount on camera. Do the rest privately away from judgement and when you are thinking more rationally.
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  • Jordan PowerJordan Power Red Chipper Posts: 457 ✭✭✭
    That's a great point, @Doug Hull. Pretty significant amount of money should probably not be handed over while one is probably (reasonably) excited and likely not thinking straight.
  • Jordan PowerJordan Power Red Chipper Posts: 457 ✭✭✭
    1% is plenty.

    Do they kick back to you when you get coolered?

    No but I've also never been coolered for six figures... :)
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭✭
    I don't play jackpot games - not a fan, and not proposed here - but I'd be rather opposed to %-tipping.
    To me tipping represent the quality of the service / dealing, not the luck of a specific situation.
    Why would it be fair to tip 5k of a bad beat jackpot to a bad dealer (mistakes, boring/bad mood) who was here at the right time, rather than to the dealer who just left and was great both for cards and atmosphere ?

    But my 2ct aren't much since I don't play these games :')
  • In The DarkIn The Dark Red Chipper Posts: 211 ✭✭
    1% is plenty.

    Do they kick back to you when you get coolered?

    No but I've also never been coolered for six figures... :)

    I have ... over the last couple decades. Not once did the dealer throw me a red chip.
  • Eon137Eon137 Red Chipper Posts: 165 ✭✭
    edited June 3
    The promotions are for players as customers of the room, not for employee windfalls. In my local room, the dealers have convinced most of the regular patrons that 10% dealer tip is "standard" on all HH and jackpot promotions. I think this is total BS. The room has HH promos almost constantly.
    It does have a sort-of BB promotion for quad 77's + beaten, but its $77k divided among the table, with an extra share for the "loser" of the hand. If everyone tipped 10%, the dealer would get more than a table share.

    I'm all for tipping a few extra $'s to the dealer to share in the fun, but not 10%. I think I'd cap it at around $100, even for a jackpot. Maybe $200 if it was a high five-figure score and I like the dealer. But most of the dealers in my room are more focused on hustling for tips than dealing the game.
  • SullySully Red Chipper Posts: 773 ✭✭✭
    I tip on how much I like the dealer

    I like the dealer based on how good they are and how they treat me and the players in general

    That said I tip low on the scale in general. I have enough problem beating the rake without worrying about them and the mouths they have to feed. Just not my concern
  • EazzyEazzy Red Chipper Posts: 964 ✭✭✭✭
    One consideration, and an important one is taxes. Consider how much you make after taxes and tip on that. I would probably do 3 to 5% of the after tax win (deduct about 1/3 for taxes first).

    On high hand pormotions I tip about 5% but tend t6o round it up to the nearest 5 so on 150 I tip 10 and on 250 I tip 15 type thing....

    I do know a very nice poker player who won the bad beat took the dealer out and know they are a couple...both play all the time where I play ..
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,716 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Red wrote: »
    I don't play jackpot games - not a fan, and not proposed here - but I'd be rather opposed to %-tipping.
    To me tipping represent the quality of the service / dealing, not the luck of a specific situation.

    That's true, but do you tip a % when the quality of service is good?

    If you dine in a restaurant and order a $30 bottle of wine with your dinner or a $300 bottle, didn't the waiter just get lucky for doing the exact same thing?

  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭✭
    jeffnc wrote: »
    Red wrote: »
    I don't play jackpot games - not a fan, and not proposed here - but I'd be rather opposed to %-tipping.
    To me tipping represent the quality of the service / dealing, not the luck of a specific situation.

    That's true, but do you tip a % when the quality of service is good?

    If you dine in a restaurant and order a $30 bottle of wine with your dinner or a $300 bottle, didn't the waiter just get lucky for doing the exact same thing?
    I'm against %tipping in restaurants. And not open minded to tipping in general.

    It's a US (and Canadian) issue to me.
    In Switzerland* - like many other countries - we pay people decently for their job (waiters, taxi drivers, etc). Tipping is not needed for them to get a decent salary - and is expected only if service was great/above expectations. And that would still be "only" a tip between 0.5% - 5%. If you want to tip at all!

    In poker as in other situations, giving a tip should be only an extra/bonus, not a complement to the salary. And this should reflect the greatness of service, not the amount of the bill.

    (*Even more, in some cultures, like in Japan, tipping is considered rude / extremely rude as it means "You look poor")
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,289 -
    If US dealers were paid a living wage the rake on entry level games would be crippling.
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  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭✭
    That's why you can find a 10% max 50$ rake (and similar) in Europe...
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,289 -
    Red wrote: »
    That's why you can find a 10% max 50$ rake (and similar) in Europe...

    Right, so does this help you overcome your distaste for tipping ;)
    Moderation In Moderation
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭✭
  • ChibberChibber Red Chipper Posts: 376 ✭✭✭
    1-2% is just fine for a bbj.

  • ChibberChibber Red Chipper Posts: 376 ✭✭✭
    Red wrote: »
    That's why you can find a 10% max 50$ rake (and similar) in Europe...
    Red wrote: »
    That's why you can find a 10% max 50$ rake (and similar) in Europe...

    How do you reconcile tipping in pots won while in the US.

    People don’t understand that tipping is not a standard action in all countries/places.
  • RisingDoughRisingDough Red Chipper Posts: 10 ✭✭
    I think 3% after taxes is a good number. I have seen many jackpots awarded in my local card room and many people have outright stiffed the dealers or have given very small tips. They have been vilified by the other players in a bullying manner. In my local casino all tips get split among all the poker dealers so it isn't a windfall for just one dealer that happened to be dealing at the time. I earn a good win rate and enjoy the service and atmosphere of the room I play in. I am happy to take care of the people I see on a daily basis that treat me well.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭✭
    Chibber wrote: »
    Red wrote: »
    That's why you can find a 10% max 50$ rake (and similar) in Europe...
    Red wrote: »
    That's why you can find a 10% max 50$ rake (and similar) in Europe...

    How do you reconcile tipping in pots won while in the US.

    People don’t understand that tipping is not a standard action in all countries/places.

    I tip here and there in big pots. Few bucks max. But if I'm in a very good mood or if the dealer is particularly funny, I can give tip for no reason. Like "I need to go to the bathroom. I give you 1$ if you deal my trash".
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,716 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I usually ask the dealer to do me a favor and deal my cards in order with the big one on top. That way I don't have to keep switching them around. If he can keep this up for the whole down, that's worth an extra buck.
  • In The DarkIn The Dark Red Chipper Posts: 211 ✭✭
    edited June 12
    . In my local casino all tips get split among all the poker dealers...

    Worst
    System
    Ever

  • Jaymes BJaymes B Red Chipper Posts: 62 ✭✭
    I recently hit one and I tipped a total of 6.66%. 5% to the dealer and 1.66% to the floor. I thought this was more than generous and they all seem very buddy buddy with me now. I also think this is strictly up the player. As said in this thread previously, the dealers don't give you any money when they cooler you. I have no problem with them tipping 0% ever. Its your money and should be able to spend it as you like.

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