Players show their cards a lot here?

Pocket_KanyonsPocket_Kanyons Red Chipper Posts: 17 ✭✭
I play online mostly and treat myself to a live game at the nearest casino an hour and a half away once every couple of months. Maybe when I’m rolled to play mid stakes the drive would be worth making daily.

Anyways, since they don’t see me there 6 times a week I think they profile me as a fish when I sit down. And a LOT of players get my attention and flash me their cards. What I suspect is they profile me and want to set up plays for later by showing me that they folded the nut flush draw etc. It’s usually when they fold something like the 2nd nuts or the nut draw. Almost to prove how solid they are. And it’s not once or twice for the fun of the whole table, it’s only to me and it happens excessively.

It’s always the same motion at this casino. Both cards vertical in the palm with one slightly angled and a side to side motion. Literally everyone shows their cards this way.

What they don’t realize is they are giving me information. Oh, you will fold the nut flush draw on the turn to a 1/3 pot bet? You play K3o from UTG? I think to myself. But every time I go since I go so sparingly, no one recognizes me even though I remember seeing them (they see so many new faces at the tables daily when I have only been to those tables a few times).

Long story short, I don’t understand the excessive showing of cards to only one or two players at the table. It is usually directed to me and it happens a lot. I don’t show unless I have to.

What are your opinions?

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  • Pocket_KanyonsPocket_Kanyons Red Chipper Posts: 17 ✭✭
    I really like the less cynical tip. Can you expand on that idea?
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 2,281 -
    Sure, but I'm making some pretty big extrapolations about these particular players based on limited info. That said, this sort of player type is fairly common in Vegas $1/$2.

    As further background, I suspect this mentality stems from LHE, since many of these players are old like me. In LHE the mantra of "get two big cards and bet 'em" was common. Messing around with medium suited gappers was frowned upon and would lead to the "oh, they were soooooted" needle if such a hand won at showdown. In fact such hands play pretty badly in LHE, so these guys may have been somewhat on the right track. The problem is this all goes to hell in deep-stacked NLHE.

    So... to these guys who refer to chasing rather than drawing, the idea is to only play what they regard as strong starting hands. If they flop top-top or an overpair, they now regard the pot as theirs and go to strange lengths to make sure this happens. Because there are "chasers" out there, they will make absurdly large overshoves rather than extract value against draws.

    The consequences for you... First, they play pretty face up. Their opening ranges are dominated by the hands they may have seen listed as "Group I and II" by Sklansky and Malmuth. Their preflop 3-bet range doesn't include anything that isn't pinned to the top left of the 13x13 matrix. Their big bets are TPTK+ and never draws because... well, they don't "chase." A combination of their preflop range and a tendency to overfold means that, when they do call your bets postflop, they typically have something decent and it may be a fool's errand to try and move them off it.

    Hope that gives you a starting point to pick them apart.
    Moderation In Moderation
  • Pocket_KanyonsPocket_Kanyons Red Chipper Posts: 17 ✭✭
    GameKat you have a lot of good things to say. You are absolutely right about playing face up. I always get paid off when I have a Full House or Quads. And conversely, no one is folding unless you Jam all in which is too risky to do more than once in a session. And after that it’s not often that you get someone off a hand. Interesting to hear about Limit Hold em and some its intricacies.

    Thanks for the response
  • blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 195 ✭✭
    And conversely, no one is folding unless you Jam all in which is too risky to do more than once in a session.

    How is this true?
  • Pocket_KanyonsPocket_Kanyons Red Chipper Posts: 17 ✭✭
    Well what I mean is that being as 1/2 live is such a mix of good players, regs, and recreational poker players, a lot of people won’t fold their middle pair, flush draw, bottom two pair etc unless your bet is very large. Just agreeing with Gamekat that it’s hard to get someone off a hand.
  • Pocket_KanyonsPocket_Kanyons Red Chipper Posts: 17 ✭✭
    I’m speaking of bluff shoving

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