How many barrels?

EmanuelUEmanuelU Red Chipper Posts: 6 ✭✭
PokerStars - $0.50 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 148.18 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 15.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 106)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 50)
Hero (SB): 128 BB
BB: 149.58 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 48)
UTG: 83 BB (VPIP: 26.42, PFR: 11.32, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 53)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
MP: 104.4 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 36)
MP+1: 92.56 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has :Jc: :As:

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) :7s :8d :Td:
Hero bets 9.98 BB, CO calls 9.98 BB

With the gutshot + overcards, three bet pot OOP, I assume C-bet is standard?

Sizing ok?


Turn: (40.96 BB, 2 players) :Ks

2nd barrel? Sizing?

If 2nd barrel, what kind of rivers do you 3rd?

Comments

  • RyanH1995RyanH1995 Red Chipper Posts: 51 ✭✭
    I think this is a pretty bad flop for your 3betting range and a very good flop for the CO defending range. He will have more sets and 2 pair combos here than you will. I think you should probably be checking this flop pretty often and if you are going to bet it I think you should use your good value hands and draws with more equity. I think it is an interesting spot and would be curious what others think and what a solver would recommend.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 4,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With the gutshot + overcards, three bet pot OOP, I assume C-bet is standard?

    The EV of betting this hand is probably low but okay, for the reasons Ryan outlined. The solver will like some bets even versus a fairly condensed range.
  • AceFromSpaceKKAceFromSpaceKK Red Chipper Posts: 294 ✭✭✭
    I dont think that you should cbet this. As Ryan said this is not 'your' board. Depending on sizing I would either check/call or check/fold flop. I know this seems quite nitty but in reality there is nothing you can do here.
    Turn is great for your range but I guess V is still ahead in equity.
    I would barrel every spade and every Queen on the river.
  • andreicosandreicos Red Chipper Posts: 27 ✭✭
    I ran this hand with GTO+ using some standard ranges and it recommends 100% check otf.

    Vs a bet >1/2 pot it wants to fold this hand. Vs smaller bets it mixes mainly x/r and x/f
  • obliviusoblivius San FranciscoRed Chipper Posts: 92 ✭✭
    Seems like almost a full range bet otf for hero with the expectation of getting called nearly always and with some x/raises. When V flats and the Ks Turns I'd guess we should bet our strongest hands but AsJc seems like a clear check with just a dub-gutter. V has so many draws and pairs+draws that he's likely still calling at the least.
  • Adam WheelerAdam Wheeler Red Chipper Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 4
    As @persuadeo mentioned you need to understand the nuttiness of your backdoor draws and GS. Yes you have a GS but you need to remove some outs because of the flush possibilities. This apply also for your backdoor nut straight. Also your "Over cards" gives a straight when the J spike so you rely only on A but again Ad puts a possible flush on board and any A really helps all the QJs in your opponent range.

    So in retrospect, you have a very marginal draw that lose some nuttiness when the 9d spike the turn. Also mid-connected boards are super good for the PFC. Therefore X/C is most likely the best option on flop.

    On the turn you have 6 outs that are clean and you can make the nut straight but again this is probably marginal.

    I think checking the flop and calling is an option(best) and if V don't float bet the flop when you miss your CB, then you have a mandatory delayed-CB on turn.

    I don't like the 2 barrels line here given all that I mentioned, I would take a more cautious route and help myself to fully realize my equity.

  • Chris_VillalobosChris_Villalobos BoiseRed Chipper Posts: 20 ✭✭
    edited September 7
    Just curious what we think the CO's calling range to three bet preflop is here?

    QQ-22,AQo-ATo,KQo-KJo,AQs-A6s,A4s-A3s,KQs-K8s,QJs-QTs,JTs-J8s,T9s-T7s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s-75s,65s

    SB 3-Bet preflop?
    AA-99,44-22,AKo-AJo,KQo,AKs-A2s,KQs-KJs,K7s-K5s,Q9s,J9s,T8s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s,65s,54s

    I'm just wondering if my ranges are too tight for discussing this hand.
  • Chris_VillalobosChris_Villalobos BoiseRed Chipper Posts: 20 ✭✭
    Just looks like CO's range (Range 2) is full of great Semi-Bluffing hands and AJo is stuck with little equity if called. Though it looks like the King was one of the better cards for your range. Should the CO be raising your flop bet here?

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  • Adam WheelerAdam Wheeler Red Chipper Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 18
    This is what an optimal 3B calling range from CO versus SB should look like:
    KK-22, AQs-A9s, A5s-A3s, K9s+, K6s, QTs+, JTs, T8s+, 98s, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, AQo+, KQo; Weights: KK:25%, QQ:75%, JJ:75%, TT:75%, 66:75%, 55:50%, 44:50%, ATs:75%, A9s:75%, A5s:75%, A4s:75%, A3s:50%, KJs:75%, K9s:50%, K6s:25%, T8s:50%, 98s:50%, 87s:50%, AKo:75%, AQo:50%, KQo:25%
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    This is what an optimal 3B range from SB versus CO should look like:
    66+, A8s+, A5s-A4s, K9s+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, AJo+, KQo; Weights: 77:75%, 66:50%, A8s:25%, A4s:25%, K9s:50%, J9s:50%, T9s:50%, AJo:50%, KQo:75%
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