The impact of rake and game selection

U_TurnU_Turn Las VegasRed Chipper Posts: 51 ✭✭
I know the sample sizes in the photo below are small, but I think it shows the impact that rake structure and/or game conditions can have in a win rate. It’s about the same hours in each room over about 50 sessions of 1/2 in each room. Both are $100-$300 buy-in.

Red Rock has a 4+2 rake+promo drop. They take $1 promo on the flop and $1 promo at $30 pot. They take $1 rake at 10, 20, 30, and 40. So at $10 they’ve taken $2, at $20 it’s $3, at $30 it’s $5, and at $40 it’s $6.

Red Rock also plays shallower and nittier. Many $100 stacks, many blind chops, mostly small pots.

Caesars has a $5 rake and no promo drop. They take $1 at each multiple of $10. This game also plays deeper with 80% of players buying in for at least $200 or more. It’s also more “gambly” than Red Rock but not wild by any means. Preflop pot sizes at Caesars would be a medium river pot at Red Rock.

What are your thoughts on how rake impacts win rate?


  • MrFussMrFuss Red Chipper Posts: 142 ✭✭
    edited August 2019
    Rake is certainly a factor but when combined with your statement about Red Rock this becomes even more of an issue. When rake is higher you want to be playing a little tighter and when you do pick up a hand you should try to play as big of a pot as possible. This way the rake becomes a smaller percentage of the pots you win.

    At Red Rock you said the pots are mostly smaller which means when you scoop a pot the overall percentage of rake is much higher which obviously has a greater impact on your win rate. And, if no one is sitting with more than $100 the very lowest percentage you will pay is 6%.

    So in this exact scenario the rake isnt terribly different and I believe its the style of play that has a greater effect on the win rates because you're typically paying a higher percentage at Red Rock.
  • Fernando OFernando O Red Chipper Posts: 78 ✭✭
    The rake is a bankroll killer. For most people, taking their roll to a roulette wheel and choosing between red or black and betting their entire roll is much > EV than the slow bleed of poker rake.

    And don’t forget about tips to dealer, cocktail gals, and fees for poker education.
  • RunItThriceRunItThrice Red Chipper Posts: 3 ✭✭
    In low stake, high rake games, strategy should be DRAMATICALLY different than a low rake game.

    Have you considered looking into what solvers suggest in high rake games? The differences compared to nearly every preflop chart is shocking, particularly when facing an RFI.

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