Not what to study next, but when to stop studying for a while?

FrozenNutzFrozenNutz Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
I've been a member of Red Chip for a few months. I've gone through CORE a couple of times and have been spending the last few weeks going through different PRO videos as well as SplitSuit's hand reading workbook. I play mostly NL5 and NL10 online. 1/2NL at casino a few times a year and smaller tourneys and 1/2 at home games.

My question is this. I seem to be too far ahead many of the people that I play against. That sounds arrogant, it's not meant to, what I mean is that I tend to ascribe thoughts, ranges or strategy to people who simply do not have them.

For example, opponents 3 bet range is.."F*** you! I hate your hat!" or there are 3 John's at the table so they always call J3 all the way to the river no matter what. So they're thinking is irrational, but I'm thinking, Wow! they're including J3 in their combos described in the 1%.

Given this, should I stop studying the more advanced poker theories, which essentially just end up confusing me and causing me to believe that the people that I am playing against are studying the same thing, they are not.

Should I just stick to the CORE curriculum, and play straightforward ABC poker,

I'm sure others have similar questions, and I'm quite sure I am articulating this incorrectly, but essentially my question is when do I stop trying to learn all of these more advanced concepts and just settle into my game. I don't think I need to balance my range at NL5, nor do I think that I have to show Drunk Chuck a bluff every once in a while in order to get him to pay off my big hands.

I apologize for the rant, but I find these issues quite confusing.


  • Cracked_Jacks11Cracked_Jacks11 Red Chipper Posts: 56 ✭✭
    I think part of the discussion of whether you should continue studying or not hinges on this: do you want to keep improving at poker, or do you want to stay where you are right now? People play the game for different reasons, so there isn't a right or wrong answer to this. However, how you answer it will help you answer your own question.

    The rest of my response will hopefully be helpful if you want to keep learning and improving, so if that's not the case then feel free to disregard. :)

    I regularly play in 2 different poker games, and I approach them entirely differently. I go to the casino several times a month and play $1/$2, and at that game I am constantly striving to play better, increase my advantage over my opponents, win as much as possible, etc.
    My other game is a $.05/$.10 home game my friend hosts every Friday night. A bunch of friends get together and we drink, joke, eat, and play cards. In that game, I have an immense skill edge over everyone else. I am the only one who studies the game or plays outside of that weekly home game. In that setting, I'm not concerned about playing well. In fact, I often call down far lighter than I should, bluff far more often than I should, and deliberately put myself in -EV spots to help keep it fun for everyone else.

    Your question makes a lot of sense to me based on my experience in my weekly home game. The key for me comes down to my own thinking, not to their lack of skill. I play in that game where nobody else plays even remotely well, but I don't let the low level of play keep me from thinking about my own play. I first identify what my "ideal" play would be based on the situation and on my opponent's tendencies, and I surmise what I think the most +EV play would be. At that point I decide if I want to try to play that particular hand "ideally," or if I want to deviate and give up some value for the sake of keeping my friends happy. The level of play doesn't keep me from thinking about the game at the highest level I can, but it does affect the actions I ultimately decide to take.

    I ended up rambling more than I intended, but hopefully this is relatable to you and can be helpful. Poker will always require that we recognize who we are playing against and adjust accordingly.
  • FrozenNutzFrozenNutz Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
    Thanks for the quick response. I am not advocating for ignorance. I'm just wondering where to focus more of my attention.
    Just as an elementary school math teacher does not, and should not spend hours studying advanced calculus, I don't really see a huge benefit watching Soto and Bergi discussing how they play at their limits. It's just gonna confuse the hell outta me, which it does.

    I have watched Doug's video and it kinda makes my point. His father in-law has his own reasons for his plays, and it confuses even Doug, who is a way better poker player and thinker. And it just looks to me that the easiest way to beat his FIL, is simply to hit a hand and bet the shit out of it.

    P.S. After looking around more of the videos I have found more that speak to my level of play, there's just so much information, that it took me a while to parse out what I think is applicable.

    Keep up the great work guys.
  • blindraiseblindraise Red Chipper Posts: 302 ✭✭
    Id start searching around for material by Jonathan Little, he is an expert at teaching low limit strategies for NLHE.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    or there are 3 John's at the table so they always call J3 all the way to the river no matter what
  • RCP Coach - Fausto ValdezRCP Coach - Fausto Valdez RCP Coach Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2019
    @FrozenNutz ... my advice is to focus on a strategy that allows you to recognize when you should apply more advanced concepts vs an ABC strategy. Then once you are able to adapt correctly based on the right variables, become great at being consistent at them.

    Other than that, work on other theoretical strategies that would allow you to attack different parts of the game.

    If you feel like you hit a wall or don't know how else to improve your game, look into getting a coach that might expose you to things your not aware of
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 3,654 -
    blindraise wrote: »
    Id start searching around for material by Jonathan Little, he is an expert at teaching low limit strategies for NLHE.

    The majority of our current coaches specialize in this area.
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  • kenaceskenaces Red Chipper Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭✭
    I have been playing serious poker for 15 years and I still study some every week!
  • DPokerTDPokerT Red Chipper Posts: 25 ✭✭
    I went through this for about 1000 hands (online) after I read Applications by Janda. Started calling down way too light, since I was thinking I needed to have a wide enough bluff catching range to keep villain from auto-profiting.

    But remember, when they break the rules, you get to break the rules and exploit them.

    How many tables are you playing online? It may be useful for you to reduce your table count and focus on observing and crafting exploitative strategies.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2019
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    blindraise wrote: »
    Id start searching around for material by Jonathan Little, he is an expert at teaching low limit strategies for NLHE.

    The majority of our current coaches specialize in this area.

    He's also the nut low of big name coaches. (His use of babies in advertising is admirable, though.)

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