Starting over with a plan

ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
edited October 2019 in New To Poker Questions
I’m not new to poker but am new at taking it seriously and have been for about a year. By taking seriously I mean spending time off table and intentionally trying to get better.

After about 45,000 hands at a combo of 2nl, 5nl and a couple of shots at 10nl. I was a winner at about 8bb/100. I’ve experimented with several strategies and am pretty confident in my play. I want to play a mix of tournaments, PLO and NLHE 6max.

I want to get really serious now. Currently I have a crap $120 laptop that struggles to run a HUD and poker client at the same time, and couldn’t handle a solver due to low RAM and is running out of memory.

So my plan is to first invest in a new machine. I am trying to decide if 16gb RAM is necessary or if 8 is good enough but I am going to budget about $2000 to this entire investment. It’s something I can make happen in the short term.

The $2000 will have to cover:
Bankroll
Computer
Additional software I don’t own yet which CardRunnersEV, GTO+, ICMizer are on my list as well as Leak Buster.

I currently own DriveHUD, the X-Ray Add On, and Flopzilla.

Not included in the $2000 I plan on maintaining my subscription to Red Chip Pro.

I want to have 50 buyins for my BR for cash and 100 buy ins for tourneys. (Example $100 would equal 2nl and $1 tourneys).

In the meantime I am studying the Red Chip courses and sifting through my hand history and finding my errors, what I do well and what is missing from my current game and getting aquatinted with the math in study.

Any advice or recommendations is welcome but Id like advice on one thing in particular. I am clueless on computers. Is an 8gb machine good enough for what I want to do? This frees up more money for my BR if it is. I’d like to be able to start out at 25nl if possible which would require $750.

It may or may not be important but I should also mention that while I am putting this all together I more than likely won’t be playing much. Most of my original BR is gone. I came up with this plan and took some shots at some higher buy in tourneys to win the BR and it didn’t work out which I’m ok with. I knew that was a possible outcome. It was only a couple hundred dollars and I didn’t want to grind out twenty cent pots anymore.
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  • boyd148boyd148 Red Chipper Posts: 96 ✭✭
    edited October 2019
    If you plan on a lot of serious solver usage, higher RAM is better. 8GB will probably work with some simple scenarios but if you get into some deep multiple bet size trees with larger ranges, you'll risk not having enough. I personally would want at least 16GB RAM for hardcore usage.

    Equally important is a good high speed processor. The more cores the better for heavy use and nothing slower than 4 GHz. An i7 or maybe a top of the line i5 processor at the least for serious solver work.
  • MrFussMrFuss Red Chipper Posts: 142 ✭✭
    edited October 2019
    Are you wanting a desktop or planning to buy a laptop? You can build a pretty beast desktop machine for much cheaper than you can buy a desktop or laptop and you can tailor the components to your exact needs.

    Building a computer is pretty easy. Most say its like Legos for adults which is absolutely true. If you are at all interested in building something I would put some options together for you using https://pcpartpicker.com/

    Another nice aspect of building a machine is that you understand its components and can upgrade at your convenience.

    To answer your basic question, yes you absolutely want at least 16GB ram.
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    I didn’t even consider building one but if it is less expensive I’d consider it. I’m mechanically inclines so I’m sure I could do it. That’s an awesome suggestion actually. I’m gonna look in to it.
  • MrFussMrFuss Red Chipper Posts: 142 ✭✭
    ROI RUINER wrote: »
    I didn’t even consider building one but if it is less expensive I’d consider it. I’m mechanically inclines so I’m sure I could do it. That’s an awesome suggestion actually. I’m gonna look in to it.

    The ROI when building a machine is huge vs buying a pre-built. If you can do some research, use a screwdriver and follow a youtube tutorial, you can build a desktop.
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    MrFuss wrote: »
    The ROI when building a machine is huge vs buying a pre-built. If you can do some research, use a screwdriver and follow a youtube tutorial, you can build a desktop.

    I just watched a couple of YouTube videos on it. It’s literally plug this here and don’t touch the top of this piece etc. The real value of this idea is I can buy pieces of it one by one and there’s no need to wait until I have all of the money together. I can actually increase my budget since I’m paying incrementally.

    This is now part of the plan! You made my day. I might purchase my first piece tomorrow just so I am committed by taking the first step.
  • MrFussMrFuss Red Chipper Posts: 142 ✭✭
    ROI RUINER wrote: »
    This is now part of the plan! You made my day. I might purchase my first piece tomorrow just so I am committed by taking the first step.

    Thats great! Im very happy to help. My advice is to use pcpartpicker to build your rig and then wait for sales which pcpartpicker can alert you of. Reddit is also a good place to check in on.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/

    The main piece you want to figure out is your processor. Everything else kinda fits around that and can be swapped around based on price, like ram and motherboard. It's really easy to fall down this black hole lol. Try to avoid all the frills like RGB this and water cooling that. All you really need is a good processor, some ram and storage. I def recommend getting an SSD vs disk drive. If you want to do any gaming you'll need a decent graphics card.
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    This may end up becoming a log. I’m pretty excited about this. My career has taken a good turn. My income has increased about 50% and that will probably increase more in the next few months.

    I have a lot going on. I plan on moving in February. My credit cards are maxed and they are taking priority of this poker plan but the reward for getting them squared away is the poker plan.

    I’m not playing much. I’m the rec at the table when I do. I’m not grinding out sessions or anything. I’m spending a lot of time in study. Red Chip Pro has SO much content. I am taking in a lot. Shout out to Mike Gano watching a lot of his content the last couple of days. He has good content for the micros and low stakes.

    I’m reviewing my 50,000 hand sample. I downloaded Leakbuster and ran my whole history through it. It graded me as a B+ player which was encouraging. I didn’t have a ton of big leaks but had some and having it broken down the way the software does I could see it and see how and why I need to adjust my thought process in hands some.

    I’ve done a few poker coaching courses, and RC is the best by far. The vast amount of content and the classroom style is awesome for my learning process.

    Also this forum is great as well. Probably the best even with the light traffic. Quality over quantity.

    The only downside to RC is it is like grocery shopping when you are hungry. Everything looks good but you can only learn one thing at a time. Lol.
  • MrFussMrFuss Red Chipper Posts: 142 ✭✭
    edited October 2019
    Congrats! :)
    ROI RUINER wrote: »
    This may end up becoming a log. I’m pretty excited about this. My career has taken a good turn. My income has increased about 50% and that will probably increase more in the next few months.

    I have a lot going on. I plan on moving in February. My credit cards are maxed and they are taking priority of this poker plan but the reward for getting them squared away is the poker plan.

    Idk know if you currently use a budget. Either way, I HIGHLY recommend a service called YNAB - You Need A Budget. It literally changed my wife and I's lives. I have got my mom, dad and several friends hooked on it and have seen the improvements in their lives as well.

    After we bought our home we racked up about 50k in home improvement loans and card debt. Then came the panic. With YNAB we payed off all debt in 3 years and still managed to save some money and do all the things we wanted like travel and whatnot. I was able to keep flipping some of the debt to new cards with 0% terms for balance transfers which helped a lot.

    There are so many positive nuances to having a budget that aren't clear until after 3-5 months of use. One example would be that you dont feel bad when you do buy something for yourself because your expenses are covered and you know you have the money allocated for the splurge. There's no, "well I think I can afford this but, i really shouldn't" followed by shame and regret.

    Anyway I cannot recommend YNAB enough. Check it out, trust me.

    https://www.youneedabudget.com
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    I’m gonna check that out. Thanks!
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok, what is the long term plan here?

    No one needs all this stuff to beat NL25 - you seem to have named yourself ROI Ruiner for a very good reason.

    In other words, I hope the plan is to get to high stakes.
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    edited October 2019
    persuadeo wrote: »
    Ok, what is the long term plan here?

    No one needs all this stuff to beat NL25 - you seem to have named yourself ROI Ruiner for a very good reason.

    In other words, I hope the plan is to get to high stakes.

    Good shot there. I like it.

    That’s exactly what the plan is. My finances allows me to budget $2000 maybe a little more. I can always deposit more along the way.

    The long term plan is to move up in stakes and improve my game along the way. Starting higher stakes and not improving my game would probably before reaching those stakes would be -EV.

    The computer is the only expensive item relatively speaking and can be used for stuff other than poker so it’s not a direct poker investment. None of the software costs over $100 so I’m not sure where that statement is coming from.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2019
    While building your own is attractive (it's what I usually do), the major benefit is not lowest cost, it's getting exactly what you want. But lowest cost is normally going to be the high volume big seller machines. If you're willing to go desktop there are some good values. I really don't recommend building your own *unless* you want very specific components and have a reason for them, and want control over exactly what's installed on your computer operating system and utility wise, and would have fun with it as a hobby. Remember if you have any issues you have to start looking them up online and join a computer forum like you joined this poker forum. Otherwise, just get a preloaded good deal.

    For example, $1,000 for this. This is a full size case so you can easily add things like larger hard drive etc..

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-desktop-computers/inspiron-desktop/spd/inspiron-3671-desktop/nd3671dtsxs

    Then get a refurbished display. I've bought from this site several times and gotten excellent deals. You can pick the cosmetic condition, size, and make.
    https://www.pcliquidations.com/c295---lcd-monitors

    So you're looking at $1,050 for a new computer preloaded with Windows 10 ready to turn on and use, and including a nice 20" display.
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    The building part of the computer looks fun. I’ve been watching a lot of YouTube videos on it.

    I decided I didn’t want to wait until everything came together. I have my credit card debt cut in half almost so I rewarded myself dropping $300 on ACR to play 10nl blitz. I’ve really put a lot of effort in trying to learn exploitative poker. It feels naked not having a HUD. DriveHUD is my HUD of choice and they are supposed to be releasing a new version compatible with Blitz. Excited for that for sure but in the mean time I am just trying to play optimal poker.

    I have a small 60,000 hand sample and the most noteworthy things I found out about ACR is most players aren’t 3bet bluffing enough. 3bets from anyone except known LAGs are what they look like usually JJ+/AK. Almost all of my 4bet bluffs get shoved on it seems like.

    Also one ironic thing is river bluffs are rare. Not impossible to see happen but very rare. The kicker is players seem to bluff catch regularly. So my adjustment is to value bet big on rivers. You’d be surprised how much you can get paid off.

    There are a fair amount of bad LAGs on ACR. I know that from the cash tables and I have a few tagged but DriveHUD being available is going to be a game changer I think.

    I’ve watched nearly every RCP Pro video containing someone using CardRunnersEV. I wish I had a better computer to run it. I’m more interested in that then GTO+ actually. There’s value in having a GTO approach to fast fold games when you are facing unknowns that appear solid over a small sample but I still think max exploit and +EV is the way to go at 10nl where I play.
  • MrFussMrFuss Red Chipper Posts: 142 ✭✭
    edited October 2019
    jeffnc wrote: »
    For example, $1,000 for this. This is a full size case so you can easily add things like larger hard drive etc..

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-desktop-computers/inspiron-desktop/spd/inspiron-3671-desktop/nd3671dtsxs

    So you're looking at $1,050 for a new computer preloaded with Windows 10 ready to turn on and use, and including a nice 20" display.

    You can build that computer for $850. Probably less if you wait for sales
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ygfhyk
    Graphics Card

    I would also get a 24" or 27" display if you want to multi-table comfortably.

    Also, unless you plan on doing any gaming you dont need a graphics card and that 1650 isnt going to do you much good anyway. That would save you another $150 and you'd have an extra $300 for better cpu, mb and storage.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2019
    MrFuss wrote: »
    Also, unless you plan on doing any gaming you dont need a graphics card and that 1650 isnt going to do you much good anyway. That would save you another $150 and you'd have an extra $300 for better cpu, mb and storage.

    Yeah.

    Don't forget if you build your own, you have to buy Windows yourself.
    MrFuss wrote: »
    Probably less if you wait for sales

    Of course I didn't show their sales either, which are better deals.
  • MrFussMrFuss Red Chipper Posts: 142 ✭✭
    "jeffnc wrote: »
    Don't forget if you build your own, you have to buy Windows yourself.
    Its in the parts list.

  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MrFuss wrote: »
    Its in the parts list.

    Well, that's a pretty good price!

  • Ray KRay K Red Chipper Posts: 130 ✭✭
    MrFuss wrote: »
    "jeffnc wrote: »
    Don't forget if you build your own, you have to buy Windows yourself.
    Its in the parts list.

    I dont know if you know this already but you can buy windows 10 pro license for 9$~30$ if you buy the license from retailers. what you do is buy the license, install windows 10 as 30 days free trial then just register the key. it should auto update to pro version.
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    edited October 2019
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    14,000 hands of ACR Blitz 10nl winning at 10bb/100 and I am running slightly under EV. Red Chip Pro has a lot to do with that.

    I tried another coaching course I will leave nameless but it is supposed to be one of the top rated one and what I learned here for strategy blows it out of the water. There is so much content.

    I am glad I didn't wait and just started using what I have.

    My AF is low but it is because the player pool is pretty aggressive post flop. I am taking the initiative more lately but there is a lot of money in float betting on this site at these stakes. The c-betting is so bad. I do want to get it up to the 2.5/3 range but it is working ATM.
  • RussRuss Red Chipper Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited October 2019
    I've played with you the last few sessions, four in total (I generally wouldn't have noticed but your name pops out :-D ).
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    edited December 2019
    Change of plans slightly. So I am moving to Pennsylvania and they have regulated poker. I’ve signed up on Poker Stars PA and can play for play money but can view cash games from where I live now.

    The games are pretty fishy. I was watching 30nl and there were several occasions of 4 to the flop in limped pots and checks to the river and basic live poker action.

    I expect to have a pretty big skill edge considering how well I’ve done on ACR (finished at 65000 hands with a 6evbb/100 and an 11bb/100 actual winrate) and with all the study I put in.

    So there is no need to invest in a solver at this point. I do want to get a better machine but don’t think I need to prepare to use a solver. I need enough RAM to run a game with the HUD and no lag. I also am more interested in CREV than GTO+. So will need at least 4gb RAM for that.

    So my investment is going to be more bankroll than equipment now.
  • solarcoastersolarcoaster Red Chipper Posts: 26 ✭✭
    I think I also played against you on Pokerstars NJ. Need to go back later and review the hand history. Any other starsNJ players here?
  • solarcoastersolarcoaster Red Chipper Posts: 26 ✭✭
    acutally might have been on wsop.com instead. oops
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    edited February 3
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    I became a manager at my job and the hours are brutal. I’m making 6 figures a year for the first time in a long time but it’s a sacrifice of time for sure. In 3 weeks I only got 3900 hands in. The poker client is brutal on my cheap laptop. Two tables is the max.

    I deposited $200 and I am up to $649. I’ve been playing $50nl lately because the games on Poker Stars PA are ridiculously juicy. Tons of recs. I’m going to deposit another $400 this week that will allow me to have a deposit bonus of $600 I have until April to clear. I’m also getting a new 8gb laptop (killed the build a gaming machine plan) so I can multi table 30nl until I have $1500 in my account to multi table 50nl.

    I haven’t been posting lately. Just lurking but the Pro videos have really really really taken my game to a new level. I study preflop, cbetting 101, protection in practice, and a few other videos over and over and shape my game around the concepts.

    This is the year Poker becomes a serious income stream for me. I am going to be the best player on that site.
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    Between winnings deposits and bonuses I have graduated to 50nl. The competition has gotten a lot better. I try to table select by so is every other reg so I end up in reg battles at some point. I have to dig in and improve my game if I am going to stay a winning player as I move up.

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  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭✭
    jeffnc wrote: »
    Yeah.

    Don't forget if you build your own, you have to buy Windows yourself.

    Actually no :-)
    Windows 10 has a free version. Some options are blocked, that's all.
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO

    (Also if you've a valid license of Win7, I think you still can upgrade from 7 to 10 with it for free - I'm but not sure if this offer is still available)
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    edited February 20
    I need to get more volume in. I’ve been putting off the new laptop purchase because I don’t want to spend the money. I work 11+ hours a day 5 sometimes 6 days a week. I go beyond 2 tabling with my HUD and my computer has so much lag.

    I’m off tomorrow and I’m going to bite the bullet. I’m good enough to invest in this. My BR started at $200 and then I deposited another $450 and with my winnings and first deposit bonus I am sitting at $1538. I’m crushing the games.

    If I really wanted to play poker full time and work part time I think I could. I have to be one of the better players on this site so far up to 50nl. I’ve watched some 100/200/500nl games and I think I could do well in those too.

    So tomorrow is the day. I’m getting a good laptop and moving everything over to it. I need to be at least 4 tabling because I don’t have enough time to get the hands I need to get in 2 tabling.

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  • solarcoastersolarcoaster Red Chipper Posts: 26 ✭✭
    hows the new laptop?
  • ROI RUINERROI RUINER Red Chipper Posts: 214 ✭✭
    Thanks for asking! I got a 8gb Lenovo touchscreen. It’s pretty fast. No lag whatsoever. I might get a solver since it can definitely handle it but the games I play in are so fishy it might be wasting money. Lol.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭✭
    ROI RUINER wrote: »
    Thanks for asking! I got a 8gb Lenovo touchscreen. It’s pretty fast. No lag whatsoever. I might get a solver since it can definitely handle it but the games I play in are so fishy it might be wasting money. Lol.

    Learning is never wasting money - if you're committed to the game. Being throught solver or "old school" HH analysis with flopzilla/equilab/etc - or both.

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