Ship or fold vs higher stake player
This is probably very easy for RC experts but these are the session defining spots and need some guidance?
1-2 cash
V1 / MP/ $500+: 2-5 player waiting for table, splashy, regularly open raising to 15
Hero /Btn / 150: only played 1 hand previously. Level 2 Core.
V2 / BB / 400+: v1's friend, not as loose but also waiting for 2-5
Preflop
V1 raise to $15,
Hero Btn
calls (no 3bb as dont want to balloon the pot against LAG)
SB folds
V2 (BB) rr to 40
V1 fold
Hero calls. Probably too loose but in position vs LAG
Flop $96



V2 leads $80
Hero folds
Thoughts in game
- Good flop unless he's got Ks and Im dead
- Shit, why did he bet so much? cant call only have 30 behind so shove or fold.
- Getting roughly right pot odds to shove, but no balls so fold
On reflection
- V tight 3 bet range: AA-1010, A10s+, AKo
- Against this range hero has about 45% equity
The options
- call.... pot $96 plus v $80 bet = 176 so Hero has 45%.... should have called
- shove... 96+80+110 (H)+30 (v call) = 316. So 34% vs required 45% equity = fold
- fold...save the money fight again
What should I have done RChippers?
1-2 cash
V1 / MP/ $500+: 2-5 player waiting for table, splashy, regularly open raising to 15
Hero /Btn / 150: only played 1 hand previously. Level 2 Core.
V2 / BB / 400+: v1's friend, not as loose but also waiting for 2-5
Preflop
V1 raise to $15,
Hero Btn


SB folds
V2 (BB) rr to 40
V1 fold
Hero calls. Probably too loose but in position vs LAG
Flop $96



V2 leads $80
Hero folds
Thoughts in game
- Good flop unless he's got Ks and Im dead
- Shit, why did he bet so much? cant call only have 30 behind so shove or fold.
- Getting roughly right pot odds to shove, but no balls so fold
On reflection
- V tight 3 bet range: AA-1010, A10s+, AKo
- Against this range hero has about 45% equity
The options
- call.... pot $96 plus v $80 bet = 176 so Hero has 45%.... should have called
- shove... 96+80+110 (H)+30 (v call) = 316. So 34% vs required 45% equity = fold
- fold...save the money fight again
What should I have done RChippers?
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Also, if you can, top up!
Also, you were scared to 3bet villain because of his image. How would villain perceive a 3bet from you? Keep in mind its the same guy who folded to the OOP 3bettor (from the not loose 2/5 reg) with potential dead $ in the pot and getting close to 3:1 on a call in the very same hand.
$110/$316 = 0.35, so you only need 35% equity to commit. You estimate you have 45% equity so you can get it in here comfortably.
2/5NL is NOT high stakes. Most 2/5 player are pretty bad at poker so I would try not to be intimidated.
Case in point: I've been reaching out into 2/5 the last few months. :)
There is $96 in the pot, and you have $110 left. Your opponent shoves (i.e. you "make" him shove by shoving yourself), so that is $206 in the pot and $110 to call, which is 1.9:1. You only need 35% equity to call here.
I don't know where you got 45%, but against the range you gave I get 40%.
The equity we're calculating is for 2 cards to come, so don't even bother comparing that to the odds for a call with 1 card to come and more poker to play. It's more complicated than that. But in this case you have so little money left it doesn't make a lot of difference.
Preflop calls were very bad, as you can now see. Also as mentioned, while $2/5 is technically "higher stakes" it is not "high stakes" and 2/5 players in general are nothing in particular to worry about. Just worry about playing good poker against anyone anywhere near your level.
To be fair it's more than just pot odds. A 3-bet potential iso from an unknown on the button is not quite the same as a 3-bet from a relatively tight player he knows quite well out of the BB who he has some history with as the 3rd player in the hand. But still there is a nugget of a point there.