Learning PLO

rjevskiyrjevskiy Red Chipper Posts: 90 ✭✭
Hi. Any recommendations on PLO books? Will there be more PLO training on site?

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  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,695 -
    rjevskiy wrote: »
    Hi. Any recommendations on PLO books? Will there be more PLO training on site?

    As you can see from the side bar -->
    we have a PLO live coaching session in a week. I've just been reviewing the 2020 tentative content plan and it calls for a major PLO upgrade to our current PRO playlist.

    As to books, you can't go far wrong if you get the four by Jeff Hwang.
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  • rjevskiyrjevskiy Red Chipper Posts: 90 ✭✭
    Hi. Already reading Jeff Hwang books but was wondering if any other available. Would be nice to see more videos on PLO as not everyone can attend live coaching due to holidays
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And of course there is the Omaha forum ;)
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,695 -
    rjevskiy wrote: »
    Hi. Already reading Jeff Hwang books but was wondering if any other available. Would be nice to see more videos on PLO as not everyone can attend live coaching due to holidays

    A replay of the live coaching session will be made available.

    There are plenty of other books on PLO, but I don't think any are as good as Hwang's. If for some reason you are interested in playing relatively short-stacked, there are a couple of books by Slotboom. I found them poorly written and edited.
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  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,364 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NLHE and PLO are deeply related. If you understand one well, you'll quickly do fine in the other. If you don't, you'll think they are very different. It's a good test of your conceptual understanding of the game.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2019
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    If for some reason you are interested in playing relatively short-stacked, there are a couple of books by Slotboom. I found them poorly written and edited.

    I will provide the Reader's Digest version now, which also eliminates all the writing and editing problems (not to mention the cost of buying the book):
    "Wait for AAxx and go all-in or close."
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2019
    persuadeo wrote: »
    NLHE and PLO are deeply related. If you understand one well, you'll quickly do fine in the other. If you don't, you'll think they are very different. It's a good test of your conceptual understanding of the game.

    Part of the difference is in simply altering your relative hand strength values, which is conceptually very easy. However the one major difference between NLHE and PLO is in how straights work. This has not been described anywhere better than in Hwang's first book Pot-Limit Omaha Poker, Chapter 3, in 18 pages.

    There is nothing you can do in PLO to improve on having 2 suited cards in your hand in HE for flush draws (except for the tiny card-removal improvement of having your other 2 cards be of different suits*). There is a LOT that can change with straight draws though.

    Having more than 2 cards of the same suit slightly decreases your chances of making a flush. Having more than 2 cards in a row that can contribute to a straight greatly increases your chances of making a straight.

    *If you flop a flush draw with 2 cards of the suit in your hand in HE, the chance of making the flush on the turn card is 19%. If you flop a flush draw with 2 cards of the suit and 2 cards of not-that-suit in PLO, the chance of making the flush on the turn card is 20%.
  • rjevskiyrjevskiy Red Chipper Posts: 90 ✭✭
    Thank you all. I still think having short training videos like the ones for HiLo Omaha/BigO would be very helpful. I play for fun maybe once a month and just want to enjoy it and not to loose :)
    Happy Holidays everyone
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,695 -
    rjevskiy wrote: »
    Thank you all. I still think having short training videos like the ones for HiLo Omaha/BigO would be very helpful. I play for fun maybe once a month and just want to enjoy it and not to loose :)
    Happy Holidays everyone

    You are our masters. If there is demand for such a product, we'll do our best to provide it.
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  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rjevskiy wrote: »
    Hi. Already reading Jeff Hwang books but was wondering if any other available. Would be nice to see more videos on PLO as not everyone can attend live coaching due to holidays

    I can recommend John Beauprez "Kasino Krime" (books and videos). He is also somehow reachable if you get into his lessons. Not cheap, but worth it IMHO.

    Fernando Habegger "JNandez" is also a top shot, but there is a dark aura around him (troubles with UpSwingPoker). You can find many interesting videos by him on youtube.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,695 -
    JNandez free stuff on YouTube is a good real world illustration of persuadeo's earlier point.
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  • Chris_VChris_V BoiseRed Chipper Posts: 122 ✭✭
    rjevskiy wrote: »
    Hi. Any recommendations on PLO books? Will there be more PLO training on site?

    If you haven't played much Omaha I would suggest playing something like Pokerstars free games. You will get free experience in how hands play differently than Hold'em.

    The other day I made a really silly mistake playing :As:2s:3d:3c in NLO8 when the board was :5s:5d:5c:7h:5h . I had an Ace and thought well I'm chopping, totally a Hold'em mind thought. I ended up winning the pot with my Fives full of Threes. For my defense, I was watching TV while I was on the Pokerstars play money site. I may have been more aware if I was playing for real money but just something to consider while learning Omaha when your first game is Hold'em.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Move to the Omaha forum?
  • Chris_VChris_V BoiseRed Chipper Posts: 122 ✭✭
    jeffnc wrote: »
    However the one major difference between NLHE and PLO is in how straights work. This has not been described anywhere better than in Hwang's first book Pot-Limit Omaha Poker, Chapter 3, in 18 pages.

    Buying a used copy today!

  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jeffnc wrote: »
    Having more than 2 cards of the same suit slightly decreases your chances of making a flush. Having more than 2 cards in a row that can contribute to a straight greatly increases your chances of making a straight.

    This might or might not seem counterintuitive.

    This hand
    :AH::AC::JH::4S:
    is better than
    :AH::AC::JH::4H:

    That's pretty obvious (and you never have that problem in Holdem obviously). You have one of your own outs in your hand, and you want that 4h back in the deck.

    But this hand
    :JH::TD::5C::4S:
    is not nearly as good as
    :9H::8D::7C::6S:

    as far as having straight outs is concerned. While the second hand puts some of your outs in your hand (you'd think you'd want the 7 and 6 back in the deck), it also produces way more combos and and thus more outs which more than makes up for having a couple outs in your hand.

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