2x overbet shove on the turn in a small stakes live tournament

EurocratEurocrat Red Chipper Posts: 72 ✭✭
Hi everyone,

I usually play online cash game, currently NL25. Every once in a while I decide to go to the local casino to play some small stake tournaments, just to get some live experience. This Thursday I went to play a 60€ buy-in with a relatively decent structure of 25 minutes levels. There were around 40 players. My tournament strategy is based of what I remember from reading Harrington on Hold'em about 10 years ago, but I would judge that I have quite a good edge on the field. That being said, playing live is a different story than online and I would assume that I'm more timid than I should be.

So, as I am trying to develop the habit of note-taking, I wanted to post this hand and get some insights:

We are in level 4 of the tournament, there are 7 players at the table. I have a stack of 48k (starting stack was 50k) and the blinds are 200/400 with a 400 BB ante. I have KJcc in UTG+1. My 48k are the effective stack for the hand.

PF
UTG limps. Hero raises to 1.6k. Every one folds, limper calls.
Pot is 4.2k.

F
Board comes QT7 with 2 hearts.
Villain donkbets 2.2k, I raise to 6.5k. V asks me for my stack, and then calls.
Pot is 17.2k

T
is the Kd, being the 2nd diamond.
Villain quickly shoves for 38k, and I fold after some consideration.

Villain is an older gentleman who seems to be a regular of these kind of tournaments (he know a couple of people). He's playing quite loose and passive. When villain donkbets the flop, I believe he has a lot of mediocre hands such a Tx, 7x and weak Qx holdings, some pocket pairs up to JJ. I have the impression that the field doesn't play their draws aggresively, but I wouldn't exclude it completely. I also wouldn't rule out strong holdings such as sets and flopped 2p). My intention was to raise and check back blank turns.

On the turn, I believe he would shove like that with his strong holdings, his turned straights, his 2p combos including K7, KT, KQ that I think he would have called my raise with, and holdings such as KJ, QJ, JT or AK. I elect to fold thinking that I will find better opportunities to put in my stack.




Comments

  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 3,483 -
    Harrington on Hold'em is woefully out of date, great though it was in its time.

    Not too sure what other insights you're after. Yes, it's a fold when he shoves. If you're right that V's donk range is weak, I don't see much point in raising the flop. You present it as a sort of free card play, but against a weak range you'll get the turn check anyway.
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  • EurocratEurocrat Red Chipper Posts: 72 ✭✭
    Maybe this hand is a bit less interesting than I thought. As I said, I'm probably a bit more timid than I should be in the live environment and I was thinking maybe somebody here with a live background has a different insight.

    I see your point that I could have just called a flop. I'm not sure though that villains like this would check a whole lot of turns. From what I observed from this field, a lot of these players seem to feel the need to follow up for what I interpret as a need for "consistency", but my impression might be wrong. It's true though that my logic is a bit flawed because it would have probably come down to the same prize to see the river card had I elected to just call the flop.

    Cheers
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 3,483 -
    Eurocrat wrote: »
    Maybe this hand is a bit less interesting than I thought. As I said, I'm probably a bit more timid than I should be in the live environment and I was thinking maybe somebody here with a live background has a different insight.

    I see your point that I could have just called a flop. I'm not sure though that villains like this would check a whole lot of turns. From what I observed from this field, a lot of these players seem to feel the need to follow up for what I interpret as a need for "consistency", but my impression might be wrong. It's true though that my logic is a bit flawed because it would have probably come down to the same prize to see the river card had I elected to just call the flop.

    Cheers

    So that can make it more difficult to play draws, particularly since in tournaments stacks are generally shallow, but holy smokes if they have that kind of frequency error your value hands are gonna be fun!
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