Hand Review #2

Steve MSteve M Red Chipper Posts: 47 ✭✭
Game = $1/$2 = 8 Players

Saturday Night. High Hand Promotion running that always attracts a mixed crowd.

Later on, around midnight. I had come over from a broken table with another player. Been playing for about 5 hours, but at this table for around an hour.

Hero = $350 = Should have a basic image at this table. Nothing out of line. Been raising pre-flop a little more than most but not a high amount. No real hands of note at this point.

Villain = ~$195 = Didn't recognize him but had the look of a regular. Mid 40's, dressed real casual so not at the casino for a night out. Was playing solid with 3-bets pre-flop & a few check-raises. Across the table so no hands of note with him.

Curious on my thought process here.

Hero = :Kh:Th

3 Folds
MP (Hero) = Raises $12
Cut-Off = Calls $12
Button = Folds
SB (Villain) = Calls $12
BB = Folds

Flop = $38


SB (Villain) = Checks
Hero = Bet $10
CO = Folds
SB (Villain) = Raises $30
Hero = Raises $75

I'm going to bet a majority of my range small here. It should take down this flop a large percentage of the time since I have all the big aces in my range. It should fold out all suited connectors that are not hearts, big cards that missed, some pocket pairs & maybe even some weak aces. I'll mix in some checks on this board with flush draws & some aces with a heart blocker. I can't think of any hands I'd bet large with unless an absolute maniac or calling station was in the hand.

When the villain check-raises me here, I decide to re-raise for a few reasons.

The hands that I think he would check-raise with are:

1. Naked Ace. He would defend from the SB with A,2-A,10 suited, A,Jo. A,Q+ should be 3-bet from the SB and this player understood that. At this point, I think it's fair to say A,Q+ would be ahead of my opening range so it would have been 3-bet against me, especially with one caller in between. If he is raising this flop bet with A,5 suited, he's doing this to 'see where he's at' IMO and not really for value. I have all A/K, A/Q, A/J in my range but he will rarely have it. If he does have a weak ace, I can put a ton of pressure on him with this raise, followed up with a turn shove. He'll have about $108 left into $190. I can put a ton of pressure on A,5 type hands & still have outs if he finds the call. I would play my big aces this way since I can get value from weak aces & protect against any flush draws he has. I don't see him making this raise with A,2 or pocket 2's. I don't see much value in a raise here when I can have a ton of air that can continue to bluff or a flush draw that he would want me to catch up with. If he has A,2, that leaves only one ace for me to have. When he check-raises, I capped the top of his range at A,10, leaving me still with range advantage.

2. Flush Draw. I block a ton of them, but there are still a few out there. If he has a flush draw, my sizing should convince him I have an ace & he may peel one off thinking he can get paid if it hits. If it doesn't come in, I'll take the pot down with a turn shove which is fine by me with King high. If it does come in, I stack him anyway.

3. Small Pocket Pairs. Same idea as the weak ace. A check-raise on the flop feels like he would be doing it to'see where he's at'. My re-reraise on the flop or the turn shove should take this pot down.

4. Complete Air. Not unlikely with my small flop bet. It would be hard for me to continue without an ace so a checkraise with air could work here.



  • LeChiffreLeChiffre NetherlandsRed Chipper Posts: 641 ✭✭✭
    I think 3-betting this particular hand is inefficient as you are forced to fold to a jam if he shoves - and your hand is way good enough to just call (even if villain has Ax)

    Against flush draws you can play pretty much perfectly anyway so I don't see a reason to 3-bet. You might even fold out some worse ones. Pocket pairs seem very unlikely to me to be in villain's range, especially if you have never seen him do something like it. Also against air I think I'd want to keep this particular hand in my calling range since it's ahead of most air and retains equity well.

  • CASEY MCASEY M Red Chipper Posts: 168 ✭✭
    @LeChiffre is spot on, IMO.

    The flop downbet is too small, unless we planning on jamming over any raise.
    If hero is 3betting here, I think a jam is best. If we 3bet less than all of it, we have to have a solid plan on nonheart turns.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 3,654 -
    In addition to what others have said, stacks are just really awkward for a flop 3-bet. If the plan is to bluff-shove turns, you need a decent amount to play on the turn, which means the flop 3-bet has to be so small it has no FE. I guess if you're convinced a high-probability outcome is V calls flop 3-bet/folds turn, that's fine, but I'm not sure how you'd reach that ideal conclusion beyond wishful thinking.

    If V is anything like a typical $1/$2 player, he has told you he has an A. The second sentence of that conversation is usually "I don't fold top trips."
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  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Steve M wrote: »
    If he is raising this flop bet with A,5 suited, he's doing this to 'see where he's at' IMO and not really for value.

    Kind of an odd thing, if you think about it. I guess my impression of this analysis is that we at times seem to be giving villain credit for solid thinking, and at times giving him credit for shallow muddled thinking.

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