10 Jack problem

John ValentineJohn Valentine Red Chipper Posts: 94 ✭✭
Recently while playing 1/3 at Harrahs casino in New Orleans I was dealt 10 jack both suited and unsuited several times. I was dealt this while on the button, one off the button, middle position, and the big blind. I've always have a problem with this hand. Do I raise preflop or call. Do I simply not play the hand. Could use some help here.


  • NinjahNinjah Red Chipper Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭✭
    All hands, including AA, are played different ways because situations are different. There is no legitimate way to answer such a vague question. If you're unsure about a certain spot, post a hand history.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good question but it begs a bigger one - how do you construct a preflop range?
  • John ValentineJohn Valentine Red Chipper Posts: 94 ✭✭
    edited January 25
    Well Persuadeo, I consider it within my range, Expecially when suited and I'm in late position. However, what about unsuited and late position or suited and unsuited and I'm in middle position. Not in my range in early position.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well Persuadeo, I consider it within my range, Expecially

    I'm sure your post got cut off, but already I think you can see what the problem is. It's within your range when? where? Always?? If you always fold it, I'd say you're playing bad. If you always play it, I'd say you're playing bad. Therein lies the rabbit hole. The same with many hands.
  • CASEY MCASEY M Red Chipper Posts: 168 ✭✭
    What hands are in your range that are similar to TJ from these positions? How do you play those? Are they easier or more difficult for you to play than TJ?
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25
    Ok, well the shortcut to your question is you are really only playing J10o in SB vs BB scenarios, or as an open LP, in a tough game. But I think the bigger question is more interesting and relevant to players here.
  • BFSkinnerBFSkinner Red Chipper Posts: 118 ✭✭
    What is the player tendency at your table? If it is a bunch of Old Man Coffee player types who will limp fold to a decent raise, then raise away. If players are younger or sticky, do you want to bloat the pot with an offsuit drawing hand?

    I think you are conceptually thinking about the game incorrectly if you are asking whether you should play this or not. Preflop is not a vacuum unless everyone folds to your raise. If they are folding to your raise, then raise 100% on the button or CO without looking at your cards. If, however, they do play differently postflop, there are numerous considerations to take into account before you just blindly look at a starting chart.

    In general, TJs plays well multiway in late position. IMO, TJo is trash, but most offsuit hands are trash multiway.

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