When Not Tipping the Dealer

morel huntermorel hunter Red Chipper Posts: 187 ✭✭
edited February 8 in Live Poker Hands
What is a polite way to let a player know that he is not tipping the dealer and that isn’t cool. We all have seen it before and I’m not talking about small $10 & $20 pots, even though I throw a buck when I chop the blinds provided the dealer isn’t on my crap list. I recently watched a guy playing $5/$5 double his stack from $450 to $900 in 3 hands while never tipping the dealer. When I see this, I just want to stack the mofo.

I’m thinking of asking the dealer this very same question which is “Hey Dealer, what is a polite way to let a player know that he is not tipping you and that it isn’t cool” and leave it at that. What do you fella's think?

I am not a controversial person and I don’t want to cause a riff with anyone but “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Comments

  • RussRuss Red Chipper Posts: 139 ✭✭
    I think "polite" and doing what you're considering are incompatible.
  • SullySully Red Chipper Posts: 780 ✭✭✭
    And when you don't tip because a dealer is on your crap list, what would you like other players to say to you?
  • MnpokerMnpoker Red Chipper Posts: 139 ✭✭
    He didn’t say that he did not tip those on his crap list, he was only talking chopping the blinds and in that case most people do not tip
  • MnpokerMnpoker Red Chipper Posts: 139 ✭✭
    Op what I usually do is tip the dealer and don’t say a word, I will also do this when a player asks the dealer to chop a $1 so only tipping $0.50. I play for fun and if this costs me $20 during the night who cares. Also the floor notices and I get some perks during the year, nothing game wise but two or three times a year the floor will give me a shirt or send over dinner or some other nice gesture and I know that it is because I am nice to the dealers both financially and interactions at the table
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Casino or home game? First thing you need to do is make sure you understand the story. Does he tip at the end of the night, is there something going on between them, etc.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 3,638 -
    jeffnc wrote: »
    Casino or home game? First thing you need to do is make sure you understand the story. Does he tip at the end of the night, is there something going on between them, etc.

    Usually easy to tell from the dealer's reaction to not getting tipped. We're supposed to be good at reading body language, after all.
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  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭✭
    Another of one of these endless pointless discussions about tipping ...
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 3,638 -
    Red wrote: »
    Another of one of these endless pointless discussions about tipping ...

    Many of my friends in the casino industry would not find it at all pointless. I'll make sure it isn't endless.

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  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    Red wrote: »
    Another of one of these endless pointless discussions about tipping ...

    Many of my friends in the casino industry would not find it at all pointless. I'll make sure it isn't endless.

    I meant: we already covered this topic numerous times - which comes back every semester or so. Always the same issues/questions, always the same arguments.
    Like the 46th rebroadcast of a (bad) show ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't recall this scenario coming up before but I could be wrong....
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9
    Red wrote: »
    Now sure, none of them clearly go about OP's question

    Well, there ya go. I suppose you could say the same thing about 90% of the hand questions posted.

  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I remember someone threatening to check raise me if I didn't tip more.
  • morel huntermorel hunter Red Chipper Posts: 187 ✭✭
    edited February 10
    Uhhg, I didn't want this to be an argument among us! Some are reading into this too much.

    Here is the scenario. Live, cash game. Player makes $200 off a pot and doesn't tip, The next hand the same player makes another $200 and still doesn't tip. Does the same thing a third time. What is a non confrontational way to let the player know that it is customary in the U.S. to tip a poker dealer at least a $1?

    I'm not trying to tell a person what to do with their money but by not tipping a buck in this situation, well, it is simply not cool and if you don't do it, stop it and please tip the dealer a buck.

    I've tried the "give the dealer a buck" even though you are not in the hand but that still didn't seem to get through to some, so I believe a verbal declaration is necessary.

    So far, my own advice is the best that I've gotten.

    Thank you for your consideration.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10
    @morel hunter You find mostly 2 kinds of tippers around live cash games:
    - those who tip by the pot (big pot = tips / more tips)
    - those who tip by the dealer (how skilled and/or entertaining the dealer was).

    Now personally I'm against tipping in general (edit: yet I do when I play in US, tho). People should get a decent wage and not depend on tips. Meh, I guess tipping is a US joke I'm too European to understand 😂


    Fun fact: I've just rewatched Reservoir Dogs yesterday night, which opening scene is also about tipping policy 🤓
  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,867 -
    I do believe you can tip a dealer that you think deserves more any time you like.
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  • BigFudgeBigFudge Red Chipper Posts: 35 ✭✭
    I actually got some crap about not tipping “enough” over the weekend. I’d probably tip more if there was just a split tip bucket I could throw in at the end of the session, but with my type of play I just can’t tip much by the hand every time it will kill my win rate. While poker is not my profession, I do take it quite a bit more seriously than the standard rec player as I’m sure most of us do. End of the day I told those other players to fuck off in the most polite way imaginable. You don’t know how that player is running, what is goals are, etc so keep your mouth shut because it will generally do no good.

    With that, I do think tipping is somewhat necessary and here is why. If the dealers take a hit in their tip rate the casino will HAVE to pay them more to make up for it in order to retain decent dealers..(at least the ones here in LA) they aren’t going to let their golden goose die. However, if you think they are actually going to pay for it you are sadly mistaken. They will just increase the drop/take and we will ALL pay for it, it won’t be optional. I tip enough to account for my share and let the weaker rec players pay more than their fair share because they don’t care about money/make themselves feel good or for whatever reason that causes them to tip 8 bucks on a $100 pot.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭✭
    BigFudge wrote: »
    They will just increase the drop/take and we will ALL pay for it, it won’t be optional.
    Now you understand why the rake in Europe (and Asia?) is much, much higher than in the USA. It can go up to 10% uncapped (sic! ; but so high is pretty rare; it's more 5% or 10% and max 10bb/hand).
    But on the other side, dealers are correctly paid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Tips are not necessary - and not expected
  • BigFudgeBigFudge Red Chipper Posts: 35 ✭✭
    Red wrote: »
    BigFudge wrote: »
    They will just increase the drop/take and we will ALL pay for it, it won’t be optional.
    Now you understand why the rake in Europe (and Asia?) is much, much higher than in the USA.
    But on the other side, dealers are correctly paid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Tips are not necessary - and not expected

    Never played outside US but I heard about the drop and that was what I figured! Thanks for confirming.

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