First winning day of poker - chopped pot hand review

AustinLAustinL Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
Hey this is my first post ever, so I hope I don't break too many rules. I'm super happy to say today was my first ever day leaving the casino up, and it actually put me up overall. I walked away with $515. Part of it was because of Core2.0. So far it hasn't taught me new things, but the way it challenges me to use them has helped. Today I promised myself I'd post a hand review since that's what it asked of me.

The entire table had pretty much just gotten up and left, so I knew nothing of all the new people. But it's saturday and the fourth of july, so I assume all fish with nothing to do (just like me)
Details aren't great, I forgot to write it down. I was a bit nervous.

It started off
Hero(BB) (~$500) kh7h
MP(???)
V(BTN)(`$200)

MP raises $7
V 3bets $16
I 4bet to $38 (meant to be min raise, mis counted) trying to steal.
MP fold, V call

FLOP: K7o 7h
I bet $20
V raises to $50
Call

Turn: 7
I check
V Bets $70
Call

River 9
check
V all in (~$100)
Call
V shows K8o, chopping the pot.

As I write this, I realize my early game play was a little poor. The early steal attempt wasn't smart since he 3bet and I knew nothing about him, so I should have known he'd call.

after the flop when he raised I should have known I'd be beat, since my kicker was shite, but I figured I had a back door flush, two pair, and who knows what could happen? That who knows did happen, since the third 7 came out.

I figured at this point the only way I'm really losing is against pocket K's , pocket A's, and a 7. Otherwise a chopped pot, so I didn't want to fold.

Comments

  • NTD12NTD12 Red Chipper Posts: 107 ✭✭
    You said you had Kh7h?? That would have given you quads. What did you have?
  • AustinLAustinL Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
    Wow I'm so dumb! I had kh5h, not the 7h! Dang I feel like a dunce. @NTD12
  • Ori13_TTVOri13_TTV PennsylvaniaRed Chipper Posts: 77 ✭✭
    edited July 5
    AustinL wrote: »
    Hey this is my first post ever, so I hope I don't break too many rules.
    youre fine, im not too sure but i think the rules are pretty much dont be too rude, its a hard rule to break, i think.
    AustinL wrote: »
    I'm super happy to say today was my first ever day leaving the casino up, and it actually put me up overall. I walked away with $515. Part of it was because of Core2.0. So far it hasn't taught me new things, but the way it challenges me to use them has helped. Today I promised myself I'd post a hand review since that's what it asked of me.
    nice, congrats!
    AustinL wrote: »
    It started off
    Hero(BB) (~$500) kh7h
    MP(???)
    V(BTN)(`$200)

    MP raises $7
    V 3bets $16
    I 4bet to $38 (meant to be min raise, mis counted) trying to steal.
    MP fold, V call
    fold preflop
    yes, its fun to get in the mix and battle over pots, but this is a very weak hand facing some pretty strong action. typically players in a live game dont like to fold, so things like stealing are viable to a degree, but its going to be hard to get away with stealing with hands like this. as you can see by Vs call, youre probably not getting that one through too terribly often after a 3bet
    AustinL wrote: »
    FLOP: K7o 7h
    I bet $20
    V raises to $50
    Call
    relatively straightforward here, we have top pair, we can go ahead and bet, going to get called by a lot of medium to strong pocket pairs that we beat
    AustinL wrote: »
    Turn: 7
    I check
    V Bets $70
    Call
    i like the check here, it gives V the opportunity to 'hang himself' so to speak, as in he has the opportunity to make betting mistakes with hands that are weaker than ours

    AustinL wrote: »
    River 9
    check
    V all in (~$100)
    Call
    V shows K8o, chopping the pot.
    following the same logic on the turn, i like the check here as well, the only thing that beats our hand is AA, KK or four of a kind 7s, its certainly possible that villain has one of those hands, its also possible that we have him beat
    and he could be barreling with some weaker hands that he is overvaluing
    AustinL wrote: »
    As I write this, I realize my early game play was a little poor. The early steal attempt wasn't smart since he 3bet and I knew nothing about him, so I should have known he'd call.
    agreed
    AustinL wrote: »
    after the flop when he raised I should have known I'd be beat, since my kicker was shite, but I figured I had a back door flush, two pair, and who knows what could happen? That who knows did happen, since the third 7 came out.
    you could be beat, but you cant put your opponent on a single hand, he can have a better king, or he can have a whole range of other possible holdings, learning how to evaluate the probability of him having the king that beats yours is something youll hopefully learn as you continue the core program
    AustinL wrote: »
    I figured at this point the only way I'm really losing is against pocket K's , pocket A's, and a 7. Otherwise a chopped pot, so I didn't want to fold.
    river calls typically tend to be a pot odds scenario, similar to playing draws, except instead of evaluating the pot odds against the chance of making your draw, youre evaluating your pot odds against the chances of having him beat, tied or losing.

    (my review based on your clarification of having K5 rather than K7)

    also, in the future, try to pay more attention to the suitedness of the board as its important to how you play your hands as your strategy develops, even if you dont exactly have a flush or flushdraw

    tommy angelo came up with the system that i use for noting live hands and he advises that you should take down your hand history in the same order that you are likely to forget things. he says you forget the board first, then forget the action, and then your cards are the last thing you forget. so you should write down the board first while its fresh in your mind, then write down the action, preflop flop turn and river and then write your hole cards last, and then if you still remember, write your opponents hole cards. i say write your opponents hole cards last because thats the least important bit of information from an analysis perspective since you didnt know his hole cards while you were playing thee hand so his specific holdings shouldnt have any real bearing on your decision making at the time.
  • NTD12NTD12 Red Chipper Posts: 107 ✭✭
    That's a great point about writing down in that order, I had never heard that. When I play an interesting hand I want to study I get up after the hand, go for a walk and record it with a voice memo.
  • Ori13_TTVOri13_TTV PennsylvaniaRed Chipper Posts: 77 ✭✭
    Correction, Jonathan little came up with it, not Tommy angelo

  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 3,654 -
    I was struck by two things in this HH which I think are important.

    First, you mention you have no reads on the table. To cold 4-bet K5s OOP you'd need deep reads and a very peculiar table.

    Second, you mention your 4-bet sizing was an error and that "(meant to be min raise, mis counted) trying to steal."

    Read that back to yourself, and see if you can deduce why this is at best nonsensical, and at worse bankroll suicide.
    Moderation In Moderation
  • AustinLAustinL Red Chipper Posts: 4 ✭✭
    Thanks so much guys, I really appreciate all the information. I'm surprised to see that only my early play was bad. I guess it is hard to misplay a fullhouse too terribly.

    I was on a bit of a reverse tilt, and felt on top of the world so I ran with the kh5h oop. Plus the only other time all day I 4bet was with AA, so I guess for some reason I thought all the new guys would know that. IDK, I'll definitely tighten my range today.

    @Ori13_TTV for the flop action, is pocket pairs something I should really consider in his range at that point? considering I was overly aggressive, and I Cbet, would pocket J's, for example, really raise? I thought my call was a blunder. Reviewing this myself I thought the only range I could see him having was KX, K's, A's, 7x, or a bold bluff(least likely).

    and what range of pocket pairs would you consider? He had position, so I could see him calling preflop with any pair, but on that board what would you consider being there?

    Other than that I follow pretty much all of your comments, thank you.
  • Ori13_TTVOri13_TTV PennsylvaniaRed Chipper Posts: 77 ✭✭
    In this particulsr instance, yes i think there are going to be plenty of pocket psirs in his range. Had you bet a real 4bet sizing it might be much less likely, but with a 4bet to 38, he pretty much has pot odds to call with his entire range. Just depends on how aware of that he is.

    When it comes to recreational players i try not to discount any hands in particular from their range but more or less think of their range a little bit more abstractly in the sense that: for all i know they could have 72o because its their favorite hand and they think its lucky, but they're much more likely to have somdyhing like KQ in this spot. Typically ill start piecing together more of a concrete range from the flop and after. Although the preflop action is very relevant, its not exactly strictly defining of their range the way it would be whrn playing against a good reg. Hand reading is a skill that takes practice though, once you get through the ranges part of core, you can start practicing thinking in ranges and use results to confirm if your opponents hand was within the range you gave him or not.
  • Ori13_TTVOri13_TTV PennsylvaniaRed Chipper Posts: 77 ✭✭
    Theres certainly a lot of nuance to hand reading that im sure youre not quite aware of yet, and thats okay, youll get there in time but just be mindful not to take a solution to one scenario and misapply it to another, its more important to understand the underlying ideas and concepts behind the solution and why that solution works

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