NL20 AQ

Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
Effective stack 60bb

SB (63 hands): 43/3/4

Flop: - 1/3 pot donk bet, I thought, he has some FD or TPWK, I didn’t want him to get a card cheaply so I raised.

Turn: - 1/2 pot donk bet. I should maybe here fold but the SPR was just 1,2.

Was I too loose again or it was standard against a fishy player for 60bb stack?

Thank you.
Zsolti07



Hand Information
Holdem NL 0.10/0.20, 0.2 BB (6 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Table Information
Seat: 1 777nedim ($18.1)
Seat: 2 babuskababulja ($37.88)
Seat: 3 Spoko77 ($23.39) Dealer
Seat: 4 titanroyal452 ($12.58) Small Blind
Seat: 5 Yolo ($6) Big Blind
Seat: 6 HERO ($21.25)
Dealt to HERO
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Preflop (Pot:0.3)
HERO    RAISE $0.8
777nedim    FOLD
babuskababulja    FOLD
Spoko77    FOLD
titanroyal452    CALL $0.7
Yolo    CALL $0.6

Flop(Pot: $2.4)
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titanroyal452    BET $0.8
Yolo    FOLD
HERO    RAISE $2.6
titanroyal452    CALL $1.8

Turn(Pot: $7.6)
7C.png AD.png 5C.png 8D.png 

titanroyal452    BET $3.8
HERO    RAISE $17.85
titanroyal452    ALL-IN $5.38

River(Pot: $34.63)
7C.png AD.png 5C.png 8D.png KC.png 

Comments

  • BartholomewBartholomew Red Chipper Posts: 30 ✭✭
    Zsolti07 wrote: »
    Flop: - 1/3 pot donk bet, I thought, he has some FD or TPWK, I didn’t want him to get a card cheaply so I raised.

    He could also have some two pair hands and sets.
    Zsolti07 wrote: »
    Turn: - 1/2 pot donk bet. I should maybe here fold but the SPR was just 1,2.

    You should only calculate the SPR on the flop.

    Also, you need to take into consideration how villain has played this hand. He called your raise preflop and bet the flop. He called your raise on the flop and bet the turn. What do you think he has at this point?
    Zsolti07 wrote: »
    Was I too loose again or it was standard against a fishy player for 60bb stack?

    I would have called the turn instead of raising, but if I were going to raise, it would have been smaller. With that size raise, I'd expect to only get called by hands that beat me, and I'd want the draws to continue.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 3,833 -
    Quick comment about this business of only calculating SPR on the flop.

    When we did our big overhaul of CORE, I tried to water down this assertion, mostly because it needs to be qualified. One is free to calculate the stack-to-pot ratio on any street. Indeed, most people do automatically.

    The point that is made in the CORE lesson on SPR, to which I've added some further explanation, is that when we use SPR zones to determine our commitment, we are referring exclusively to the flop SPR.
    Moderation In Moderation
  • BFSkinnerBFSkinner Red Chipper Posts: 152 ✭✭
    Do you always 4x raise preflop?

    If so, what is your reasoning?
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
    BFSkinner wrote: »
    Do you always 4x raise preflop?

    If so, what is your reasoning?

    My standars RFI size is 3x (2,5x from BU). But if weak players are sitting behind me, I try to find their Pain Threshold, as Red chip poker teaches too ("So you start increasing your raise size until the opponent regularly folds").

    If I see, that players are at the table who calls with everything a 7x raise, then I bet 7x with strong combos.
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭

    He could also have some two pair hands and sets.

    Yes, that's true but it's hard to see what is in a fishy player's head. Until I see these on a daily basis, I fold hard a TPGK:

    Hand Information
    Holdem NL 0.05/0.10, 0.1 BB (5 handed).
    Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

    Table Information
    Seat: 1 HERO ($10.25) Dealer
    Seat: 5 MDAVRID1 ($10.61) Small Blind
    Seat: 6 mercuryloose37 ($5.89) Big Blind
    Seat: 8 Matey ($4.08)
    Seat: 10 QUATRO71 ($4.93)
    Dealt to HERO
    9S.png AH.png 

    Preflop (Pot:0.15)
    Matey    CALL $0.1
    QUATRO71    CALL $0.1
    HERO    RAISE $0.4
    MDAVRID1    FOLD
    mercuryloose37    CALL $0.3
    Matey    CALL $0.3
    QUATRO71    FOLD

    Flop(Pot: $1.35)
    8H.png JH.png AC.png 

    mercuryloose37    CHECK
    Matey    BET $3.68 (ALLIN)
    HERO    CALL $3.68
    mercuryloose37    FOLD

    Turn(Pot: $8.71)
    8H.png JH.png AC.png 2S.png 


    River(Pot: $8.71)
    8H.png JH.png AC.png 2S.png 2C.png 

    Showdown:
    Matey SHOWS
    8D.png 4H.png 
    HERO  wins the pot: $8.71



    Hand Information
    Holdem NL 0.05/0.10, 0.1 BB (6 handed).
    Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

    Table Information
    Seat: 1 JesusChrist ($11.08)
    Seat: 3 Sarolta1956 ($13.39)
    Seat: 5 HERO ($10) Dealer
    Seat: 6 Scorpionarti ($8.8) Small Blind
    Seat: 8 Tsaprrr ($7.55) Big Blind
    Seat: 10 devillovely67 ($4.17)
    Dealt to HERO
    QD.png KS.png 

    Preflop (Pot:0.15)
    devillovely67    RAISE $0.4
    JesusChrist    FOLD
    Sarolta1956    FOLD
    HERO    CALL $0.4
    Scorpionarti    FOLD
    Tsaprrr    FOLD

    Flop(Pot: $0.95)
    2D.png QH.png 8C.png 

    devillovely67    BET $0.7
    HERO    CALL $0.7

    Turn(Pot: $2.35)
    2D.png QH.png 8C.png JD.png 

    devillovely67    BET $2
    HERO    CALL $2

    River(Pot: $6.35)
    2D.png QH.png 8C.png JD.png 7H.png 

    devillovely67    BET $1.07
    HERO    CALL $1.07
    Showdown:
    devillovely67 SHOWS
    3D.png 7S.png 
    HERO  wins the pot: $6.35
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭

    I would have called the turn instead of raising, but if I were going to raise, it would have been smaller. With that size raise, I'd expect to only get called by hands that beat me, and I'd want the draws to continue.

    That's true against regular players and If I didn't see that fishy players often call with Top pair no kicker, second pair or OESD than would be easy for me to decide.
  • cxy123cxy123 Red Chipper Posts: 77 ✭✭
    The 2nd and 3rd hands are very different than the 1st hand. The first hand the V (a 43/4 player!) bet into 2 ppl on the flop, called a raise form the PFR and then led on the turn on a good card for V's range. Its time to think about folding the 2nd nuts.

    The 2nd/3rd hands Hero is calling down the entire time. Very different dynamic.

    Btw that Ah9x hand is very eh. You are calling a massive overbet on a wet board where you have little nothing but weak TP and backdoors. If the general population is going to spew fine I guess but in general you don't have the right odds to call.
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
    cxy123 wrote: »
    The 2nd and 3rd hands are very different than the 1st hand. The first hand the V (a 43/4 player!) bet into 2 ppl on the flop, called a raise form the PFR and then led on the turn on a good card for V's range. Its time to think about folding the 2nd nuts.

    The 2nd/3rd hands Hero is calling down the entire time. Very different dynamic.

    Btw that Ah9x hand is very eh. You are calling a massive overbet on a wet board where you have little nothing but weak TP and backdoors. If the general population is going to spew fine I guess but in general you don't have the right odds to call.

    You are right. My line in the first hand was bad.
    But by the A9: there is a rule: If the SPR less than 3, we are playing for stack with a top pair. To this is added that Villain was a fishy player and I often see that fishy players with small stack are going on the flop allin with a second pair or worse.

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