NL20 overpair on a wet flop

Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
Villain (591 hands): 24/16/6 - F3bet: 33 - F4bet: 50 - Postflop agg faktor: 2,1

At first I was proud of myself for not overplaying my overpair this time but off the table I noticed, that the SPR was just 1,58. So I'm not sure anymore...

Thx for the opinions.
Zsolti07


Hand Information
Holdem NL 0.10/0.20, 0.2 BB (6 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Table Information
Seat: 1 FishJaw ($27.96)
Seat: 3 poksor ($20) Dealer
Seat: 5 D1M1TR0V ($20) Small Blind
Seat: 6 HERO ($26.12) Big Blind
Seat: 8 dukegutsy4943 ($35.99)
Seat: 10 Karkusha ($19.62)
Dealt to HERO
KH.png KC.png 

Preflop (Pot:0.3)
dukegutsy4943    FOLD
Karkusha    FOLD
FishJaw    RAISE $0.4
poksor    RAISE $1.4
D1M1TR0V    FOLD
HERO    RAISE $4.6
FishJaw    FOLD
poksor    CALL $3.2

Flop(Pot: $9.9)
9D.png JH.png 10S.png 

HERO    CHECK
poksor    BET $3
HERO    CALL $3

Turn(Pot: $15.9)
9D.png JH.png 10S.png KD.png 

HERO    CHECK
poksor    CHECK

River(Pot: $15.9)
9D.png JH.png 10S.png KD.png 6S.png 

HERO    CHECK
poksor    CHECK

Comments

  • BFSkinnerBFSkinner Red Chipper Posts: 152 ✭✭
    Why did you check the flop?
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
    BFSkinner wrote: »
    Why did you check the flop?

    I was afraid that if Villain raises me, I must fold but my hand is strong enough for a check/call. How would it have been right?
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 10
    KK is a clear thin value bet / semi-bluff
    - You've an over pair (beating loosy TP/TPTK), and V shouldn't have AA (or rarely)
    - you've a gutshot to the 2nd nuts
    - you're blocking KQ for the straight.
    - you've the best KK as it doesn't block any bdfd (no club on board and V can't hold KhJh anyway bc Jh is on the board)
    - many Turn / River cards can freeze any action later.
  • YliKurkiYliKurki Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Why didn't you bet the river when turn went check check?
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
    YliKurki wrote: »
    Why didn't you bet the river when turn went check check?

    I thought worst calls not either but if Villain bluffs, I can maybe call it.
  • YliKurkiYliKurki Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    I think Jx holdings could call your river bet after you checked the turn.
  • YliKurkiYliKurki Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    What did the villain ended up having here?
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
    By the way according to GTO solver the line was almost perfect. Pokersnowie would have check/raised on the flop but this move has barely more EV than the call.
  • YliKurkiYliKurki Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Oh okay, well played then buddy!!
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
    Red wrote: »
    KK is a clear thin value bet / semi-bluff

    You mean on the river?
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
    @Ninjah What do you think about my cold 4bet size (I was 130 bb deep).
  • NinjahNinjah Red Chipper Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭✭
    Zsolti07 wrote: »
    @Ninjah What do you think about my cold 4bet size (I was 130 bb deep).

    I think it was fine. Generally speaking, the more bets that go in on a given street, the better of a price we can offer (smaller sizing) due to the natural narrowing of the ranges that takes place with each additional bet (so a 4b should have a smaller sizing than a 3b). In your scenario, however, I think your sizing is reasonable since we are OOP and there's a threat of going multiway since UTG offered such a good price by min-raising.
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭✭
    Zsolti07 wrote: »
    Red wrote: »
    KK is a clear thin value bet / semi-bluff

    You mean on the river?

    On the flop
  • NinjahNinjah Red Chipper Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭✭
    Red wrote: »
    Zsolti07 wrote: »
    Red wrote: »
    KK is a clear thin value bet / semi-bluff

    You mean on the river?

    On the flop

    Assuming our 4b range here is JJ+, AK, are you betting range on this flop? I was leaning towards checking here because it seems a bit too thin.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Posts: 3,833 -
    Ninjah wrote: »
    Red wrote: »
    Zsolti07 wrote: »
    Red wrote: »
    KK is a clear thin value bet / semi-bluff

    You mean on the river?

    On the flop

    Assuming our 4b range here is JJ+, AK, are you betting range on this flop? I was leaning towards checking here because it seems a bit too thin.

    I guess we're in the happy situation of blocking KQs into the middle of next week, but the flipside is we never have that hand ourselves?
    Moderation In Moderation
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭✭
    @Ninjah I'd be much wider than that (see below). Yet even considering a tight range JJ+/AK, I think I'd go for an underbet c-bet with this whole range.
    I'd only check/call KK if we expect V to only have 77-QQ, T9s-KQs - but this means he would have fold a ton preflop and we should raise pre wide for outright FE.


    @TheGameKat The open-bet is a min-raise. Except if CO is always opening with a min-raise (which we don't know, yet min-raise are unusual at cash games), this could be as weak as a limp. If so, even if BU (main Villain) is officially 3betting, it could a much wider range than we might expect.
    Based on this assumption - meaning we might expect much FE preflop - , I'd raise somehow wider than I'd usually do too. (And this considering I might have already a wider 3bet range that you, as KQo would probably be in my natural OOP 3bet range for example in this min-raise/3bet situation).
    So I'd not only have KQ, but also J9s, QTs, AQ, TT, etc. - enough strong combos, including the nuts, to c-bet too.
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
    Red wrote: »
    ...The open-bet is a min-raise. Except if CO is always opening with a min-raise (which we don't know, yet min-raise are unusual at cash games), this could be as weak as a limp...

    Sorry, my description was not complete. CO played 43/20/0 (161 hands). His RFI stats are: EP 23,MP 35,CO 31,BU 38,SB 63.
  • RedRed Red Chipper Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭✭
    Zsolti07 wrote: »
    Red wrote: »
    ...The open-bet is a min-raise. Except if CO is always opening with a min-raise (which we don't know, yet min-raise are unusual at cash games), this could be as weak as a limp...

    Sorry, my description was not complete. CO played 43/20/0 (161 hands). His RFI stats are: EP 23,MP 35,CO 31,BU 38,SB 63.

    But there is no info about bet sizing here ;-)
    You won't see if CO has (voluntary or not) a split open bet strategy or not in these stat and so miss an important chunk of info.
    (Observing) Bet sizing tendency gives a lot of Intel.
  • Zsolti07Zsolti07 Red Chipper Posts: 115 ✭✭
    Red wrote: »
    But there is no info about bet sizing here ;-) ...

    Yes, you're right :) I didn’t react to it because I can’t remember it anymore, but it didn’t occur to me that I had seen him several times to minraise.

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