EARLY ACCESS: PRO GTO Ranges
TheGameKat
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Hello PRO subscribers:
More new stuff to announce!
As you may have noticed, over the last few months we've turned our attention increasingly towards GTO elements and solutions of NLHE. This is reflected in our GTO Crash Course released earlier this year, as well as some of our group coaching sessions, such as kenaces popular overview of GTO simplification.
This is a direction we will continue to pursue in 2021, and as a prelude to that material, we are providing early access to GTO Ranges. Our research team has been buried in Monker solutions for several months now, and this is the first release of the fruits of those labors.
As with the new CORE material, we're still tweaking the presentation, but figured you'd like to see the ranges themselves and get a taste of what's coming in the next few weeks and months. This first drop is for 6-max and assumes typical online parameters. The extension to 8-handed play is by nature more complex, but we're currently working on that with a first quarter 2021 release date scheduled.
As ever, feedback is welcome.
Thanks ~ Kat
More new stuff to announce!
As you may have noticed, over the last few months we've turned our attention increasingly towards GTO elements and solutions of NLHE. This is reflected in our GTO Crash Course released earlier this year, as well as some of our group coaching sessions, such as kenaces popular overview of GTO simplification.
This is a direction we will continue to pursue in 2021, and as a prelude to that material, we are providing early access to GTO Ranges. Our research team has been buried in Monker solutions for several months now, and this is the first release of the fruits of those labors.
As with the new CORE material, we're still tweaking the presentation, but figured you'd like to see the ranges themselves and get a taste of what's coming in the next few weeks and months. This first drop is for 6-max and assumes typical online parameters. The extension to 8-handed play is by nature more complex, but we're currently working on that with a first quarter 2021 release date scheduled.
As ever, feedback is welcome.
Thanks ~ Kat
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Edit: never mind. But could you elaborate on why we never call except in the BB?
Essentially it's a simplification that gives up minimal EV, but frees up a lot of mental energy for postflop planning. So one can certainly sprinkle in some calling as an exploitative deviation, but our silicon overlords really don't seem to like it much. Or, perhaps more accurately, they don't yell at us if we choose to simplify through a 3-bet-or-fold simplification.
https://redchippoker.com/courses/core-ranges/
If we assume that the opponents are somewhat competent and thus have reasonable ranges, the answer from the machines is apparently "no". That is, the gain in EV is tiny. We're all pretty surprised by this, tbh.
To address why some of the new CORE ranges do include flats, it's designed to exploit the fact that in live play in particular we're dealing with weaker players. Additionally, in full ring one has to consider the tighter ranges from EP which makes flatting with hands like JJ/QQ in LP an option that needs to be included.
Apparently this decision was driven by our desire to include multiway solutions.
I can see the pros and cons. So this is theory based.
From an exploitative standpoint if (6max) MP is an avg reg and BB is a massive fish and I am on the button with 98s I don't want to 3bet and get the fish out of the hand.
If I am not fortunate enough to find a good table with a fish or two and am up against competent regs (but not world beaters) then I am bringing the pain to the table controlling the game dynamic AND uncapping my entire preflop range with a 3bet/fold game.
Going to check it out with an open mind. I can see it in theory.
Someone is playing this strategy vs me then my 4bet range gets a little crazy. That is generally my default vs aggressive LP 3bettors.
I'd say they'd be ideal for Zoom. When you have minimal info about your opponents, GTO is the default anyway.
It was pretty clear I was giving the nitty regs fits.
I like the strategy. I’ve tried 3bet or fold before but my ranges weren’t correct for it. These GTO ranges are great for it.
Hoping you guys do the same with MTT stack sizes as well.
Interesting challenge. We have the tools. The issue is always deciding what depth and the ante structure, and making some decision about the level of ICM tax.
That's correct, good eye.
One thing that is really nagging me though - in the early positions (UTG, HJ, CO) what happened to suited-connectors...and how do we justify replacing them with hands like suited kings, queens, and jacks (down to J7s).
For example: the CO chart is telling us to fold 98s but open Q5s!
I guess this is something to do with preferring high card value over implied-odds? This is something that's usually recommended for low SPR situations. Yet here we have really high SPRs coming from 2.5x opens (one caller = pot of 6.5bb maximum = SPR of 15!)
I guess the other reason could be blocker value?
Would love to hear some feedback on this point. Overall awesome work though.
FYI, I am currently working through the Preflop Workbook and then plan on jumping into the Postflop Workbook before resuming my membership in Core 2.0 (great material, perfectly and simply explained) My email is:
[email protected]
Hey Larry:
Those ranges have been superseded by our more recent ones in CORE and PRO and, as far as I know, are no longer available anywhere. Our publicly-available ones can be downloaded through this page:
https://redchippoker.com/bulletproof-beginners-guide-preflop-open-raising/
Cheers ~ Kat
AA-88,AKs-A4s,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,65s,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo
I've reduced my three bet or fold ranges down to 3 that build linearly upon one another (meaning that I never drop a holding from the tighter range when using a looser range). I could probably get away with just two 3-BET or FOLD ranges in my games though. Thoughts?
The play's success also depends on your table image. If your image is tight (or new to the table), you can generate a lot of folds because you're repping a very strong range. However, if your image is loose, you may find yourself getting called/5bet more often.
I checked at HQ and the estimate is 6 weeks.
They'll work okay, or you can default to the isolation-raise ranges given in CORE:
https://redchippoker.com/lessons/iso-raising-and-limping/