Set over set
Gwesyn
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Hi all,
I play mostly 10c/25c 6 max tables. However this morning I tried 9 handed and mentally prepared my self that I would have to tighten up somewhat. I would appreciate your critical analysis on how I played the following hand. I have very little info on the players. It was only a few hands in
No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD)
Table:9-max
Folds to Villan in hj ($27.88 in chips before hand) raises $0.50 to $0.75
Hero in co (stack of $22.49 in chips before hand is played) calls with 8s 8c
Button: calls $0.75
Blinds fold
*** FLOP *** [8h Jd 2d]
Villan: bets $1.25
Hero: raises $2.99 to $4.24
Button folds
Villan: raises $5.76 to $10
Hero raises $11.74 to $21.74 and is all-in
Villain calls $11.74
*** TURN *** [8h Jd 2d] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [8h Jd 2d Tc] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Villan shows [Jc Jh] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Hero shows [8s 8c] (three of a kind, Eights)
I would appreciate your feedback particularly pertainig to:
-Should I have threebet pre?
-By raising the flop am I only folding out worse and only better continue. Therefore is calling a better strategy?
- Is / would folding have been an option at some stage if I just called?
-I raised to get draws to call and to protect my hand - in that respect...was I being risk averse?
If you could provide feedback on this and anything else I would be grateful
Thanks
John
I play mostly 10c/25c 6 max tables. However this morning I tried 9 handed and mentally prepared my self that I would have to tighten up somewhat. I would appreciate your critical analysis on how I played the following hand. I have very little info on the players. It was only a few hands in
No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD)
Table:9-max
Folds to Villan in hj ($27.88 in chips before hand) raises $0.50 to $0.75
Hero in co (stack of $22.49 in chips before hand is played) calls with 8s 8c
Button: calls $0.75
Blinds fold
*** FLOP *** [8h Jd 2d]
Villan: bets $1.25
Hero: raises $2.99 to $4.24
Button folds
Villan: raises $5.76 to $10
Hero raises $11.74 to $21.74 and is all-in
Villain calls $11.74
*** TURN *** [8h Jd 2d] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [8h Jd 2d Tc] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Villan shows [Jc Jh] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Hero shows [8s 8c] (three of a kind, Eights)
I would appreciate your feedback particularly pertainig to:
-Should I have threebet pre?
-By raising the flop am I only folding out worse and only better continue. Therefore is calling a better strategy?
- Is / would folding have been an option at some stage if I just called?
-I raised to get draws to call and to protect my hand - in that respect...was I being risk averse?
If you could provide feedback on this and anything else I would be grateful
Thanks
John
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Comments
I might 3-bet pre, partly to knock the button out, but flatting is probably standard. Folding isn't completely out of the question.
Calling may be better on the flop, but I wouldn't worry about only getting called by better if you raise. Stick in some ranges here. Is AJ folding to a small raise? KJs? The issue is a raise probably rules out extracting value from the button.
On this run-out I see no opportunity to fold.
Your hand doesn't need any protection, you have a set.
Yet there are different lines to take, especially on flop (and later streets), which hold very different EV.
The best - and most difficult - question to solve is: Which line is maxEV? Which implies different hypothesis on Villain's range and play style (how we expect him to react).
Also I'd not be surprised that the flop raise/shove could be low EV ; or even -EV based on specific assumptions on Villain's range and play style.
I don't have a solver to verify, but I'd expect it to support a raise most of the time. Hence a check would be more of an passive line played as exploitation.
Also don't forget that you play a range, not a hand. What would you do - not only on flop, but also on later streets - with 7c6c, QTo or Ad8d ?