What should I learn from this hand? AA beat by 22

igorzigorz Red Chipper Posts: 15 ✭✭
Hey gang.

I'm going through my hands and trying to analyse some of them after the fact. Came up against this one. This is on Ignition, anonymous players, and I don't recall the tendencies on this particular table.

Seemed pretty straight forward at the time. What could I have done better here?

Some initial thoughts:
  • My 3Bet could have been larger (this was before the iso-limp lesson), so 5-6BB instead of 3BB.
  • Flop CBet could have been larger (2/3 pot rather than 1/3)

I didn't really have an opportunity to shove preflop, which seems like it would have been ideal. Should I have shoved pre-flop? The equity seems about right for that.

I am trying to build the villain's range here - open limp preflop, cold call my 2bet, check call the flop. How can I use this to build their range?

Ignition - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 57 BB
BB: 273.8 BB
UTG: 86.6 BB
Hero (UTG+1): 26.8 BB
MP: 194.4 BB
MP+1: 34.6 BB
MP+2: 196.4 BB
CO: 98 BB
BTN: 61.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) SB has :5s:9h

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BB has :6s:Jd

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) UTG has :2h:2c

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has :As:Ac

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) MP has :Jc:Ah

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) MP+1 has :9s:3h

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) MP+2 has :Qc:Tc

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) CO has :Td:6h

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BTN has :Kh:6c

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold, UTG calls 2 BB

Flop: (16 BB, 5 players) :8s:4c:2d
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 5.6 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 5.6 BB, fold, UTG calls 5.6 BB

Turn: (32.8 BB, 3 players) :5c
UTG checks, Hero bets 10.6 BB, MP+2 calls 10.6 BB, UTG raises to 57.8 BB, Hero calls 7.6 BB and is all-in, fold

River: (79.8 BB, 2 players) :7s

UTG shows :2h:2c (Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 24%, Flop 91%, Turn 87%)
Hero shows :As:Ac (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 76%, Flop 9%, Turn 13%)
UTG wins 76 BB

Comments

  • KossKoss Red Chipper Posts: 80 ✭✭
    Did you get to the lesson on SPR? If so, you know that with your short stack this is an SPR < 2 spot, so we are getting it in with AA every time. Because of your stack UTG did not have the correct odds to chase a set against you. That's one of the advantages to short stacking. Most of us would have lost a lot more than 25BB in these spots.

    Although most lessons taught in core are going to have to be tweaked to apply to 25BB stacks. Since almost all your pots will have SPR's of 3 or less at that depth, a lot of your postflop strategy will change. I think you should just go all-in on this flop, or you can milk them for two small bets as an exploit. Folding or checking is never an option.

    As far as range building goes, preflop limp/calls are often lots of weak hands. They will have all the sets here, probably no 2-pairs, but lots of suited connectors or even offsuit connectors that paired the 8 or 4, small PP's that aren't folding this flop, and some low equity draws that might hang around like 76/65/T9.
  • ulysses27ulysses27 Red Chipper Posts: 203 ✭✭
    Is there a reason your playing shortstacked? If not then top off and play at 100bb. As played you should be shoving probably 1010+ and AJs+. At this stack depth you have little leverage for later streets plus the board is not in your favor. If you were deeper there are more interesting things you can do but not at your stack depth.
  • igorzigorz Red Chipper Posts: 15 ✭✭
    Thanks, re short stack - that's what I ended up with at the end of the session. I start with 60BB typically and sometimes I get up to 200BB but most times I get stacked 😂 I'll try starting with 100BB for a bit and see how it goes.

    I did just read the SPR article. I guess I was waiting for an opportunity to 4bet. For next time, I'll just shove at first opportunity.

    I'll put this into pokercruncher and play around with it some more.
  • struckostrucko Red Chipper Posts: 9 ✭✭
    Hi igorz,

    As other guys pointed out if there is no real reason to play short stacked it is best to always play 100BB, reasons for this are that when you finally hit your hand and get payed off you win maximum possible.

    In regards to your hand in the spot you were, I would make a preflop punish limp raise bigger minimum of 5BB and after that just looking to get it in on the flop. There are some raising limpers lessons in Core that you should take a look at.

    MP+2 in this case had 80BB+ effective stacks so it was ok for UTG to call that small raise as he was more likely targeting to set mine versus player that had him covered.

    That is my humble opinion

    Good luck !
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,951 -
    I'd add that an important reason to top off to 100bb is that, unless specifically indicated otherwise, most training material is tuned for 100bb.

    If you are going to short stack -- which is a perfectly viable strategy -- you need to study how to do so correctly.
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  • igorzigorz Red Chipper Posts: 15 ✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    I'd add that an important reason to top off to 100bb is that, unless specifically indicated otherwise, most training material is tuned for 100bb.

    If you are going to short stack -- which is a perfectly viable strategy -- you need to study how to do so correctly.

    Yep, got it. I'm starting to find how different variables create totally different games. I adjust based on the number of players on the table as that felt natural, but short stack play seems like a whole different game.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,951 -
    Indeed it is. In fact played well, a short-stack strategy can destroy 100bb stacks that don't adjust correctly.
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  • KossKoss Red Chipper Posts: 80 ✭✭
    When NL was new to casinos in the early 2000s there was a 2/5 game where I played that would run very deep with guys buying in for 5K just to flex. If you tried to sit with the minimum $100 they would bully you around. If there was an ever an easier game to double up then hit & run, I haven't found it.

    PLO seems to be the new short stacking frontier, but it's much much higher variance.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,951 -
    The PLO short-stacking craze started around 2010 as a result of a truly horrible book and has been a blight on the game ever since.
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  • igorzigorz Red Chipper Posts: 15 ✭✭
    I think I'm starting to get it. There is a million variables in this game and as I am learning, I should try to lock as many of them as I can so that I can focus on the important things first.

    The main lesson out of this hand is not to play short stacked, rather than any tactical things that I should have done with my bets. As opposed to learning how to play short stacked for the cases where my stack depth goes down. Tick.

    The other thing I found is playing heads up. Sometimes the table dries up and I'm left with one opponent. What's the best way to tackle that - find another table, or adjust my play? Couple times where I found myself in this situation, it was just boring back and forth, exchanging 2BB every each way.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,951 -
    Same principle. If you haven't studied heads-up play, avoid it. Your opponent might be a specialist.
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