Hand/Play Advice

Haecke_SackHaecke_Sack Red Chipper Posts: 5 ✭✭
edited July 6 in Live Poker Hands
Hello Friends,

I would like to ask for advice on a hand if you all would indulge me. I was playing in an MTT this weekend at the Hard Rock Casino in Cincinnati and dealt QQ (suites will not matter in this hand) on the BTN. I have an effective stack of 150k, Villain (hereafter V) has me covered with a stack of about 200k. Blinds are 5- 10k. Only 10 players of 49 remaining. Pays top 5 places.

Action is as follows:

V raises UTG for 20k. EP1 calls and I 3-bet for 40k. V calls and EP1 fold, Now heads up. Flop comes 9,3,2 rainbow. V donk bets 100k effectively putting me all in. I feel my choices at this point are to push or fold. I sit in the tank for about 3min and decide to fold.

I show my hand and the table erupts, including the V to tell me how horrible of a call this was (V never shows his hand). "The obvious huge bet meant he had to be buying it". But the thing is, I am convinced that not only was it the right call, but the best most lucrative move I made the entire tournament. I truly thought that I would get more info from him if I folded than if I paid him off and was wrong.

Now for some back story:

First and foremost, I NEVER show my hand unless I believe it will get me more info than I am giving away. V and I had been on the same table since the start of the MTT, and I had his number all night. He played like a LAG and I was using a solid TAG strategy against him, with a light LAG against most the rest of the table. Between us we were knocking people off our table as fast as they got there with V about double the rate I was. But at the same time, I kept reaching into V's stack as well. I had watched V make this exact same move 3 other times already, and the only time he had to show it down, he had AA. But, I also placed him on a very loose range. After the flop, I could have put him on anything from a 9,3s to a pair of 9's. I guess my thought was that if I call and he has me dominated, then I have lost all control of my tournament fate. I mean, there was so much in his range that could crush QQ. But, if I fold, I will have the opportunity to keep dipping into his stack anytime I was feeling a little low. That is exactly what I did; I ended up taking 2nd in the tournament with V taking 3rd and I was the one that knocked him out. Vindication!!

Thanks for reading and any advice one might offer. Was it the right play? Was it too tight and I should have called?


  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,960 -
    Nice tourney result, but let me suggest that, in this hand, the error is preflop. Facing the min and a call, this is an easy shove at 15bb. The addition to your stack when everyone folds is massive.
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  • Haecke_SackHaecke_Sack Red Chipper Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited July 7
    Really, @TheGameKat. You think I should have shoved preflop as the the 3-bet? I can see where you are going with that. In hindsight, you are right, if I shoved, the likely outcome was folds and get the 50k more moving me closer to the effective stack of V.

    I guess my thoughts were about trying to extract value from V by reaching into his stack yet again since he had started the action and I could put him on a wide range that I could beat.

    And, thank you for your time!!
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 4,960 -
    In addition to 3-bet-shoving pre being the natural play, if you're going to fold QQ with an SPR~1 on a 932 rbw, you have even more reason to commit pre.

    You might find this helpful:

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  • Haecke_SackHaecke_Sack Red Chipper Posts: 5 ✭✭
    @TheGameKat Thank you very much. That is helpful and makes a great deal of sense!!
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  • DenisNSmithDenisNSmith Red Chipper Posts: 19 ✭✭
    With two players in, you can't shove QQ. EP1 was still in the hand, so your raise is exactly the thing to do. Isolate. You want to be heads-up with QQ.
  • DenisNSmithDenisNSmith Red Chipper Posts: 19 ✭✭
    You know if you're beaten on the flop vs LAGs. And even with a small 2-pair he can't call you on the dry flop. He's dominated by too many pocket pairs, and you have so many outs that beat his cold 2-pair in the runner-runner cards.
  • DenisNSmithDenisNSmith Red Chipper Posts: 19 ✭✭
    You already know all the info you need on this guy. He was ramming with top pair at best. Also, if you call, he is OBLIGED to show his hand.
  • DenisNSmithDenisNSmith Red Chipper Posts: 19 ✭✭
    edited July 8
    When you call his bet, you call to see him, not for him to fold. The casino should insist.

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