I've got 30 days to play live cash games. Looking for any help

9inthecorner9inthecorner Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
My experience is lots of $5 live mtt's over 15 years of running and playing them. Private online app cash game at $1/$2. Stats are 42395 hands, profit is + $14867 from January 7 until yesterday. 22 hours of live play at - $700. So very minimal experience at live tables and I will have access to play for 30 days live. Looking for things to look for, what to watch out for, and anything that would help my live game performance. Thanks in advance for your help. If I've posted in wrong area please move to appropriate area

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  • KossKoss Red Chipper Posts: 114 ✭✭✭
    Interesting question. I'm not really sure where you're playing the online games, but that winrate is absolutely crushing. You're either on a hell of a heater, a world class player, playing against very soft opposition, or some combination of the three.

    -$700 live in 22 hours is a pretty typical downswing and any experienced live $1/$2 player wouldn't think twice about it. Generally live games are significantly easier than online games. You get people that like to come to the casino and just gamble it up. But you will also find a wide mix of players there. Some who barely even understand the game.

    I'll give the high level adjustments:
    1. Raise sizes tend to be bigger in live games. $5 might be a normal open online $1/$2, but this won't do anything live. Usually to get a pot heads up or 3-way, if even possible, you'll need to go $10+. You'll see this pretty quickly.
    2. Villains tend to be too stationy. Value bet aggressively. Don't make as many high risk bluffs.
    3. The slower play gives you more opportunities to learn your specific opponents weaknesses and exploit them. Use it. But don't overreact either. Just because they got caught bluffing once in an orbit doesn't mean you should always call them down.
  • 9inthecorner9inthecorner Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Thanks for the reply. I definitely am not a world class player. I feel like overall I am doing well on app game. Don't know if I can name the app( Don't want to break any rules). Must have been a heater at the beginning because I am basically even over last 9 weeks. The app plays like a live game imo. See the same people, lots of limpers, lots of calling stations, big raises preflop, etc... I get more nervous when playing live, and with relatively few hands dealt per hour, the bread and butter situations discussed in CORE very seldom happen. I feel like an ultra nit.
  • KossKoss Red Chipper Posts: 114 ✭✭✭
    I am often the tightest players at the table when playing live and am usually playing wider than what CORE recommends, so don't worry about feeling like a nit. They may even realize and comment on how tight you are, especially if you are card dead early on, and even then you probably still get 3 streets of action when they have weak top pair or worse because they just can't help themselves.
  • 9inthecorner9inthecorner Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    They definitely commented on how tight I was. Felt I was card dead with little opportunities. Any way I have the opportunity to play a lot over the next month and am hoping to have more success this time. Thanks for the words,
    any other suggestions would be appreciated
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 5,056 -
    If you're a CORE subscriber I'd check out Miller's video series in L4 (the ranges are outdated, but many of the ideas for exploiting live games are golden IMO.)

    Also, when the table mouth mentions you're a nit, your bluffs just got an equity boost.
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  • 9inthecorner9inthecorner Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Thanks for the reply. I will definitely look into that. Was trying not to get ahead of myself in CORE. Definitely have an issue with nerves while bluffing in live games. I guess only experience will help with that
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 5,056 -
    Thanks for the reply. I will definitely look into that. Was trying not to get ahead of myself in CORE. Definitely have an issue with nerves while bluffing in live games. I guess only experience will help with that

    Live in general is initially difficult for multiple reasons, not least of which is the personal hygiene of some of your opponents. Just take your time, breath, and when necessary jam your ear-buds up your nose.
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  • 9inthecorner9inthecorner Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    That's funny. Will do
  • AKQJ10AKQJ10 Red Chipper Posts: 20 ✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    If you're a CORE subscriber I'd check out Miller's video series in L4 (the ranges are outdated, but many of the ideas for exploiting live games are golden IMO.)

    What ranges do you find to be outdated, Kat?
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 5,056 -
    AKQJ10 wrote: »
    TheGameKat wrote: »
    If you're a CORE subscriber I'd check out Miller's video series in L4 (the ranges are outdated, but many of the ideas for exploiting live games are golden IMO.)

    What ranges do you find to be outdated, Kat?

    Opening ranges are too wide IMO, particularly from EP, plus The Course was published during a period when the conventional wisdom was that board coverage was important, whereas the solvers apparently don't give a rat's ass about it.
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  • RussRuss Red Chipper Posts: 184 ✭✭✭
    TheGameKat wrote: »

    Opening ranges are too wide IMO, particularly from EP, plus The Course was published during a period when the conventional wisdom was that board coverage was important, whereas the solvers apparently don't give a rat's ass about it.

    Through my own self-study, I also noticed the solvers don't put much emphasis on board coverage. I stuck with my "board coverage" ranges, on the premise that worrying too much about GTO at lower stakes is a waste of effort, and the extra board coverage would make me seem looser yet give me good post-flop playability (I was, and often still am, the world's biggest nit).
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 5,056 -
    I've always felt the best way to combat native nittiness is to play wide from LP and maintain narrow EP ranges. It leads to the player two to my left in MTTs deciding I'm a maniac while the player opposite being completely unaware of me.
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  • 9inthecorner9inthecorner Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    I have read and watched the first few sections of Millers series in L4. Very interesting way of thinking about things. 10 hours of play so far. - $300. Hard to keep everything in my brain. Pot size, stack sizes, player tendencies, etc... I will keep trying and will get better. Thanks Kat for your help so far
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 5,056 -
    You're welcome. And we've all been there. It's just a process.
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  • 9inthecorner9inthecorner Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Update on the process. 77 hours in. Getting much more comfortable playing in live arena. The first 50 or so hours i played extremely tight with an overall timid style. I felt card dead most of the time. 3rd session I lost AA vs QQ vs ?? all in preflop, flush over flush, and couldn't call turn (at least in my mind ) after flopping nut straight. After about 50 hours down around 1200 including table time ($13 /hour). Opened up a little, while keeping to CORE principles, and started hitting some hands, FINALLY. Anyway, after hour 77, I am finally ahead. While it is only $100 ahead, I want to thank all the CORE staff and subscribers for all their assistance in this process.
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 5,056 -
    Update on the process. 77 hours in. Getting much more comfortable playing in live arena. The first 50 or so hours i played extremely tight with an overall timid style. I felt card dead most of the time. 3rd session I lost AA vs QQ vs ?? all in preflop, flush over flush, and couldn't call turn (at least in my mind ) after flopping nut straight. After about 50 hours down around 1200 including table time ($13 /hour). Opened up a little, while keeping to CORE principles, and started hitting some hands, FINALLY. Anyway, after hour 77, I am finally ahead. While it is only $100 ahead, I want to thank all the CORE staff and subscribers for all their assistance in this process.

    Appreciate the update and congrats on digging out.
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  • 9inthecorner9inthecorner Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Another update. I am definitely much more confident at the tables. 3 betting more preflop, understanding their range of hands better, and in general seeing situations that are in my favor. I am still the tightest person at the table in every game I have played. I have been overall committed to my preflop ranges learned in CORE and only deviated when I felt the situation called for it. With all of those things happening, and the fact that my really strong hands have basically all held up, wanted to let everyone know that I now have played 101 hours with an after table time ($13/hr) profit of just over $3200. Again, thanks for putting together CORE and while I have a ways to go before I finish it has definitely been worth it. Thanks to all
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 5,056 -
    That's an excellent result for someone relatively new to the live experience. Well played!
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  • 9inthecorner9inthecorner Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Thank you. In my mind it boils down to a few factors. First is being patient and folding. 2nd coincides with the 1st. Meaning sticking to the ranges provided here and only deviating when deemed appropriate by me. 3rd is although I'm playing very few hands, the really strong ones have held up in the big pots recently. I didn't get off to a good start. It definitely is not my personal talent. Still don't have a full understanding of figuring equity and opponent hand ranges in the moment. Long road ahead for me in terms of learning. I look forward to working on this
  • 9inthecorner9inthecorner Red Chipper Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Last update. My time is over for this trip. I got in 25 sessions, 146 hours, and ended with a profit of $5900. Thanks to gamekat for pointing me in the direction of the cash game series by Ed Miller. Thanks to all core contributors. It was a great learning experience. Obviously I ran well and feel like I learned a great deal. I will be going back to do it again in a few months. Thanks again
  • TheGameKatTheGameKat Las VegasPosts: 5,056 -
    Last update. My time is over for this trip. I got in 25 sessions, 146 hours, and ended with a profit of $5900. Thanks to gamekat for pointing me in the direction of the cash game series by Ed Miller. Thanks to all core contributors. It was a great learning experience. Obviously I ran well and feel like I learned a great deal. I will be going back to do it again in a few months. Thanks again

    Great to hear you had a fun and profitable trip.
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