KK preflop

reformednitreformednit Red Chipper Posts: 37
edited September 2015 in Live Poker Hands
1/2 NL at Casino. Limited 3 betting or 4 betting pre flop has occurred so tough to put villains on ranges except to say it would be very strong. V1 EP with $200. V2 EP+1 has everyone covered. I am on button with $200.
V1 has been playing fairly tight, hasn't raised a lot but has limped lots of pots. He opens for $12 which is pretty standard at the table. V2 is fairly aggressive, has won some big pots and has shown ability to bet fold and also make squeezes. V2 reraises to $35. I am on button and have :Ks:Kc .
Based on the early position aggression compared to how the table has played so far, I think it is certainly possible both villains could have ranges as strong as :J? :J? + or :Q? :Q? + and wouldn't be surprised if one of them had :A? :A? . Given the stack sizes and preflop aggression, what is my best play here with :Ks:Kc ?

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  • jimbo123jimbo123 Red Chipper Posts: 107 ✭✭
    As you're so short-stacked ($200) relative to the size of the PFR open I don't mind gambling here and flat calling. If an ace comes on the flop, unlucky for us.
  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,874 -
    1/2 NL at Casino. Limited 3 betting or 4 betting pre flop has occurred so tough to put villains on ranges except to say it would be very strong. V1 EP with $200. V2 EP+1 has everyone covered. I am on button with $200.
    V1 has been playing fairly tight, hasn't raised a lot but has limped lots of pots. He opens for $12 which is pretty standard at the table. V2 is fairly aggressive, has won some big pots and has shown ability to bet fold and also make squeezes. V2 reraises to $35. I am on button and have :Ks:Kc .
    Based on the early position aggression compared to how the table has played so far, I think it is certainly possible both villains could have ranges as strong as :J? :J? + or :Q? :Q? + and wouldn't be surprised if one of them had :A? :A? . Given the stack sizes and preflop aggression, what is my best play here with :Ks:Kc ?

    Just terminology, if there is no caller after the raise, it is not a squeeze. More of an iso-raise.

    You are clearly raising or calling, never folding.

    It may be informative to ask yourself what else would you consider three-bet raising with here?

    Also, what else are you flat-calling with?

    With your username, I suspect you are falling victim to what I call "The Nit Trap."

    Lots of nitty people will say, "I can not raise here because they will know I only have :A? :A? or :K? :K? " Thus nitty people can not raise for value with the second nuts pre-flop. How crazy is that?

    In lots of games you do not need a three-bet lite because very few people are raising lite. It sounds like this guy is raising often enough that it is not just value hands and thus a three-bet lite is very reasonable to fold him off his frequent raises. You said he is able to fold to raises.

    The problems you are having in this hand are not from the play of this hand, but from the play of all the other hands that give you the image you bring to this hand.

    I know Perseudo, Split, and especially Soto could raise here for value every time. They earned that because they would be coming in here with a range that is not just :A? :A? and :K? :K? (let's ignore the stack sizes a bit in saying this.)
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  • reformednitreformednit Red Chipper Posts: 37
    Doug Hull wrote:
    You are clearly raising or calling, never folding.

    With your username, I suspect you are falling victim to what I call "The Nit Trap."

    Lots of nitty people will say, "I can not raise here because they will know I only have :A? :A? or :K? :K? " Thus nitty people can not raise for value with the second nuts pre-flop. How crazy is that?

    In lots of games you do not need a three-bet lite because very few people are raising lite. It sounds like this guy is raising often enough that it is not just value hands and thus a three-bet lite is very reasonable to fold him off his frequent raises. You said he is able to fold to raises.

    The problems you are having in this hand are not from the play of this hand, but from the play of all the other hands that give you the image you bring to this hand.

    I know Perseudo, Split, and especially Soto could raise here for value every time. They earned that because they would be coming in here with a range that is not just :A? :A? and :K? :K? (let's ignore the stack sizes a bit in saying this.)

    Thanks Doug. I think I have shed most of my nitty tendencies and I think most of the players at the table would view me as more of a TAG. Also, V2 hasn't been extremely loose but has been aggressive in the pots he's played. V1 has been very tight with regard to opening bets as opposed to his limping range.

    Agreed that I am not folding. As played I reraised to $75. V1 goes all in and V2 goes all in.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doug Hull wrote:
    Just terminology, if there is no caller after the raise, it is not a squeeze. More of an iso-raise.

    I think he was generally describing villain, not necessarily talking about this hand.

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