2/5 Casino AQs

ChipDouglas1ChipDouglas1 Red Chipper Posts: 95 ✭✭
edited November 2015 in Live Poker Hands
The is the first of two hands I want to post today. Both are from my first week playing FT and boy has it been a tough week....the wrong end of coolers and just generally running poorly. Anyway I want to see what people's thoughts are on these two hands:

Position - HJ
Hand - :Ac :Qc
Stack - $700

Folds to me and I make it $25 to go. I am called by a lady who has been on a heater. She seems passive however in the last 30 mins just seems to have it every time. She has $1500 and the BB completes who has $400 behind.

Flop comes :Qd :8h :6s
Pot is $77

BB checks, I make it $50 and HJ raises to $150. BB folds and I know put her on either a set or a hand like KQ or maybe QJ as she seems the type to raise with these types of hands to see where she is at. Due to this I flat and the turn is :2s . I checks and she bets $150 into $377.

Again I flat and the river is another brick :4s

I check and she bets $150 again. I call and she has :6d :6c

Maybe results orientated but I think I really have to consider folding here?

Comments

  • Riverboat BillRiverboat Bill Red Chipper Posts: 452 ✭✭
    Your bet says you have Qs or an over pair. When she raises, she's saying she has a better hand. A flop raise on the pre flop opener is a really strong move. The bet sizing is inducing a call. You are then on a draw. It's hard to lay down AQss flopping top pair, but you don't really have a lot of outs against a better hand. You hold the Q blocker, so she has two pair or a strong bet signals a set. You think like I do. You gave her a hand you can beat. But what did she call with to start the hand? Slow play AA, KK or PPs. These are hands you didn't consider. What hands could make her raise?
  • EazzyEazzy Red Chipper Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    At least in my games...the see where I'm at raise tends to be a bit smaller then the standard 3 times raise. On dry boards it tends to be more often the see where I'm at then the get the money in raise.

    But the key point is the turn. If its the see where I'm at raise, why would she fire the turn after you told here where she was at if she had a KQ type hand.

    These are my default reads...but I'm folding the turn without having seen her break these reads (against some players I fold the flop).
  • Jimmy3150Jimmy3150 Red Chipper Posts: 362 ✭✭
    I think you need to be thinking along the lines of this;

    3x raise by passive player + 3-way hand + dry board + out of position (it is you or villain in the HJ?) = give up...she probably has a set. Plus also as you say .. She's been on a heater, best to stay out of her way.

    This is such a typical play with a set in a multi-way pot, combine that with the fairly dry board (does a passive player really turn up with a semi-bluff here like :7d :9d ?) that you definitely need to be folding the turn, I would certainly be folding on the flop. Also something I disagree with ... Does a passive player really make a 3x raise on the flop with a weak top pair ... Not often.

    As for the river ... As Bill alluded to, really nothing we can beat here other than a bluff. Also the flat betting passive fishy style says to me she's v strong.
  • AbbbottAbbbott Red Chipper Posts: 24
    I understand she's been on a heater, but anyone who has any poker skills at all is not going to RR there on that board with anything but :6c :6d :6h , maybe :Qd :8c. Tough laydown but time to say bye bye
  • ChipDouglas1ChipDouglas1 Red Chipper Posts: 95 ✭✭
    thanks for the comments....this was the one hand from last week that I felt I could have made a better decision on.
  • Steve007Steve007 Red Chipper Posts: 363 ✭✭✭
    Wouldn't a passive player often slowplay the flop with sets? There is no scary flush draw to scare her into raising hero off the hand right away. There are more combos of hands with queens than there are of sets so I'm not totally convinced she shows up with a hand that beats me here. This doesn't mean I call the flop, but I think this hand is tougher than the responses suggest.
  • AbbbottAbbbott Red Chipper Posts: 24
    I guess the thing you have to ask is, she'd passive, yet she is reraising into a dry board with little draws and only backdoor flushed, what could she be reraising with. She is not going to re raise with just top pair, so pretty much everything else beats you. Tough laydown indeed, I call the flop, check the turn to see what she does, then make my decision

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