Recommend PLO material

dirty moosedirty moose Red Chipper Posts: 482 ✭✭✭
edited December 2015 in General Concepts
Hey all,

I'm looking to learn more about PLO. I've never played much of it, never played in a casino for that matter. I guess I'd be a total novice to the game.

Been playing hold'em forever and just want to have an option open for a mixed game or a juicy PLO game. And cause sometimes hold'em is just boring.

So I know you have to you exactly 2 cards, after that I don't know much else specific to PLO. I'm not a general poker novice.

Could you guys recommend a book? Or something along those lines? I guess something that would make me a TAG in a PLO game, if there is such a thing.

Matt

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  • zagaresezagarese Red Chipper Posts: 200 ✭✭
    I don't have it handy but a book - probably all books - by Jeff Huang really helped me understand how to think about PLO, especially about starting hand selection and position.

    If I can find it I'll post the actual book name as I know he's written a few.
  • Skors3Skors3 Red Chipper Posts: 666 ✭✭✭
    His first book is "Pot Limit Omaha Poker.'

    Then he has a series called 'Advanced Pot Limit Omaha.' There are 3 volumes I believe.

    I agree that his books are a good place to start.
  • dirty moosedirty moose Red Chipper Posts: 482 ✭✭✭
    Went ahead a ordered "Pot-Limit Omaha Poker" by Jeff. Thanks for the help fellas.
  • persuadeopersuadeo Red Chipper, Table Captain Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Forget books. Just watch last night's episode of latb and you will be ready and raring to go.
  • dirty moosedirty moose Red Chipper Posts: 482 ✭✭✭
    Ha, I watched most of that live. That game is nuts. Looks like fun tho.
  • dirty moosedirty moose Red Chipper Posts: 482 ✭✭✭
    Thanks KCW, Will look at that when it's time!
  • Doug HullDoug Hull RCP Coach Posts: 1,778 -
    If there were a PLO guy coming over to record a video at my place on December 1st at 10:00am, what kinds of things would you want this theoretical guy answer?

    Just supposing this were to happen, he might already be thinking about this:

    * Traps NL players fall into with PLO
    * Why you want to add PLO
    * Why $1-$2 PLO plays as big as $2-$5 NLHE
    * What is a good starting hand
    * Lot more limping in PLO, should I limp in?
    * What does it mean "Hand value run closer?"
    * Why do they say "You are playing a different hand every street?"

    Any other questions should be posted here.
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  • zagaresezagarese Red Chipper Posts: 200 ✭✭
    why is position _so_ important in plo? More or less important than NL?

    how wide should I defend my blind(s) and

    how should I defend my blinds - with limps or 3 bets cause man, no one ever folds in this damn game :)
  • dirty moosedirty moose Red Chipper Posts: 482 ✭✭✭
    Doug Hull wrote:
    If there were a PLO guy coming over to record a video at my place on December 1st at 10:00am, what kinds of things would you want this theoretical guy answer?

    Just supposing this were to happen, he might already be thinking about this:

    * Traps NL players fall into with PLO
    * Why you want to add PLO
    * Why $1-$2 PLO plays as big as $2-$5 NLHE
    * What is a good starting hand
    * Lot more limping in PLO, should I limp in?
    * What does it mean "Hand value run closer?"
    * Why do they say "You are playing a different hand every street?"

    Any other questions should be posted here.

    Care to expand on all of them!? =)
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As far as I know, there is no other set you need than Jeff Hwang's. Note that his first book will get you playing VERY TAG. To get "good", you'd really have to make it through the 3 advanced manuals. Technically you only need the first 2 of those, since the third is a workbook.

    The first book has the advantage of also covering PLO/8 very well, even though it's not in the book title. You'll want to play that game eventually too. As far as I know, there is no book at all like Hwang's advanced PLO volumes for PLO/8. Just so you know, the advanced PLO books take you from being TAG to LAG. Advanced books like this for PLO/8 might not exist because playing very LAG in PLO/8 might not be a good idea, I'm not sure.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One piece of advice I can give you if coming from Holdem is, don't confuse quantity with quality. I see a lot of newer players get involved in big pots and they can't believe they lost because they "had the world". Well, a 12 card "wrap" to the sucker end of a straight, and top pair, and a jack high flush draw isn't that great. It might be 22 outs, but they all suck. Whereas in Holdem, 2 pair is usually good enough to win, and most any flush is good.
  • dirty moosedirty moose Red Chipper Posts: 482 ✭✭✭
    jeffnc wrote:
    One piece of advice I can give you if coming from Holdem is, don't confuse quantity with quality. I see a lot of newer players get involved in big pots and they can't believe they lost because they "had the world". Well, a 12 card "wrap" to the sucker end of a straight, and top pair, and a jack high flush draw isn't that great. It might be 22 outs, but they all suck. Whereas in Holdem, 2 pair is usually good enough to win, and most any flush is good.


    This! Not a "fear" per say, but this is what worry's me most.
  • zagaresezagarese Red Chipper Posts: 200 ✭✭
    If you can learn that sometimes 2 pair in holdem is a fold, sometimes its a bluff catcher and sometimes its a jam then you can learn that in plo sometimes a straight is a fold, sometimes a bluffcatcher sometimes a jam.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The big nut draws have a lot of power in PLO. Sometimes having a straight draw can be better than flopping the nut straight. A made straight has nowhere to go, yet can easily be overtaken!
  • driller1driller1 Red Chipper Posts: 25 ✭✭
    I played a fair amount of Omaha online, but I have never played in a casino. I wasn't that good, but the big worry for me is hand recognition and reading the board after the hand is over. I have heard that in a lot of Omaha games, the players wind up telling the dealers who won and what the hands are. You don't have to worry about that stuff online.
  • jeffncjeffnc Red Chipper Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that's true driller. It's even worse with Hi Lo. Four way all in, 2 side pots, run it twice, two people get counterfeited in the low in different ways, someone gets quartered on the first one..... talk about paaaaaainnnnnnfully slow. You watch it happening and you're just thinking "this is what computers where invented for!" Now that would be the perfect application for the PokerPro tables - play live, but let the computer do all the work.
  • FilthyCasualFilthyCasual Red Chipper Posts: 871 ✭✭✭
    driller1 wrote:
    I played a fair amount of Omaha online, but I have never played in a casino. I wasn't that good, but the big worry for me is hand recognition and reading the board after the hand is over. I have heard that in a lot of Omaha games, the players wind up telling the dealers who won and what the hands are. You don't have to worry about that stuff online.
    What's worked well for me in PLO in finding the best tabled hand is look for the best possibility, and work down from there.
    I start with a paired board. Sure, if a straight flush is possible, I look for that, but usually starting with a paired board and seeing if anyone has a set or a boat with the 3rd card to the paired board, and than the 3 other cards in their hand.
    No board pairing, we're down to flushes (3 of a suit on the board?), and than straights, starting with the high end on down.

    When in doubt flip your hand over.

    As far as dealers getting told by regs what the winning hand is, I think that's just going to happen. Dealers have to start somewhere, so they might not always be the most experienced PLO dealer. If they are looking at 12-16 cards in a multiway pot, it's just going to happen sometimes. Also, I've come to realize that PLO players are impatient in my experience, so even though the dealer could be coming to the right conclusion, someone just blurbs out, 'Just give the pot to seat 1 already', or whatever. It's a very tilty game, so people aren't always at their best :)

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